The Official Former President Trump thread

[Granny Danger]

23 hours ago, mjw said:

He's tweeted (then deleted) about China stealing an American drone in an 'unpresidented act'

Take the fucking phone off him ffs.

I don't think anyone should be taking the phone from him.  The world should never be denied the opportunity to be continually reminded of what a complete c**t he is.

[Forest_Fifer]

Absurd projection considering the actual protests, rioting and general wailing from lefties during the election and after his win.

Can you point to such occurrences when Obama won twice?

Did Obama win twice by losing the popular vote?

Trump himself refused to say whether he'd accept defeat, how do you think some of his more rabid supporters would have reacted?

"Oh well we were beaten fair and square, let's all get behind President Clinton"?

Aye fucking right.

[Bishop Briggs]

^ The total ("popular") vote was irrelevant in this year's election. The Trump campaign, rightly, focused on winning enough votes in the electoral college. If the contest had been decided by the total number of votes nationally, the Trump campaign would have had a different strategy. Trump would have spent more time in the states that the Democrats had sewn up, especially California. Pathetic losers like Michael Moore ignore or fail to grasp that basic point.

[welshbairn]

Trump doing a few of his rabid get out the racist vote circus acts in California wouldn't have won him the urban vote there or anywhere else. They have televisions there and knew enough of his message to reject it. And you ignore that the Democrats would also have concentrated on major population centres where they have many more natural constituencies to bring out the vote than Republicans.

[pandarilla]

^ The total ("popular") vote was irrelevant in this year's election. The Trump campaign, rightly, focused on winning enough votes in the electoral college. If the contest had been decided by the total number of votes nationally, the Trump campaign would have had a different strategy. Trump would have spent more time in the states that the Democrats had sewn up, especially California. Pathetic losers like Michael Moore ignore or fail to grasp that basic point.

Focused on winning the electoral college? Well done on pointing out the obvious. The democrats were doing the same.

None of that takes away from the fact that 2 1/2 million more voters voted against trump than for him. An undeniable fact in the nation that prides itself in being the very embodiment of democracy.

[Bishop Briggs]

28 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

 

Focused on winning the electoral college? Well done on pointing out the obvious. The democrats were doing the same.

None of that takes away from the fact that 2 1/2 million more voters voted against trump than for him. An undeniable fact in the nation that prides itself in being the very embodiment of democracy.

 

Yes but they failed. Trump won because he took several states that the Clinton campaign had taken for granted. Trump was democratically because he won according to the rules that are set out in the constitution. 

Labour won a general election in 1974 by winning the most seats despite the Conservative having more votes nationally. Was that election undemocratic too? I don't remember the Left challenging the legitimacy of Labour's victory.

[welshbairn]

Nobody's challenging Trump's victory. It's just embarrassing to see him denying he lost the popular vote by the biggest margin in history by pretending that millions of dead people managed to rise and vote.

[dorlomin]

13 hours ago, Deplorable said:

2. The backbone of Trumps vote according to the largest study of his voters was not uneducated losers. It was moderately successful people living in areas of the country where economic and social indicators are going downhill.

The backbone of Trumps votes was the bog standard Republican voters who had spent 37 years voting for Reagan, Bush41, Bush Dubya and so on. Free trade, attacks on unionisation, attacks on employee rights, trickle down economics, low regulation of industry and environment, huge deficit spending, tax cuts for the rich, dismantling security for the low incomes, pro banker and lots of wars.

They either had a Damascene conversion to protectionism or ditched the economic dogmas for the more fun of Trumps open race baiting. 

[dorlomin]

 

[dorlomin]

4 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

^ The total ("popular") vote was irrelevant in this year's election. The Trump campaign, rightly, focused on winning enough votes in the electoral college. If the contest had been decided by the total number of votes nationally, the Trump campaign would have had a different strategy. Trump would have spent more time in the states that the Democrats had sewn up, especially California. Pathetic losers like Michael Moore ignore or fail to grasp that basic point.

Funny how people try to show him as a master planner that pulled of a well executed victory. But unless he knew the Democrats server got hacked and the FBI would re-open the issue with days to go, then his planning was headed to defeat. 

He either got lucky or was in on some very underhand deeds. 

[Bishop Briggs]

12 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

Funny how people try to show him as a master planner that pulled of a well executed victory. But unless he knew the Democrats server got hacked and the FBI would re-open the issue with days to go, then his planning was headed to defeat. 

He either got lucky or was in on some very underhand deeds. 

So it everyone's fault except Hilary Clinton's. Her campaign outspent Trump's massively and she still lost states that she should have won. The conspiracy theories being promoted by the Democrats and the hawkish warmongers (including the anti-Trump neoconservatives) defy belief. 

Clinton was also helped by the 4 million votes that went to the Libertarian Party. It had two former Republican Governors, socially liberal with solid track records in strong Democratic states, on its ticket.

I can't stand Trump and Clinton and have no axe to grind. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate would have got my vote. 

[dorlomin]

11 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

So it everyone's fault except Hilary Clinton's. 

Pointless strawman is pointless. 

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The conspiracy theories being promoted by the Democrats and the hawkish warmongers (including the anti-Trump neoconservatives) defy belief. 

Cool, attack them. 

But Trump's victory in the key states was very narrow and its incredibly unlikely he could foresee the events that occurred in the weeks leading up to the election. Unless you are claiming he had insider knowledge, thus his campaign plan was poor but lucky. 

[Bishop Briggs]

Just now, dorlomin said:

Pointless strawman is pointless. 

Cool, attack them. 

But Trump's victory in the key states was very narrow and its incredibly unlikely he could foresee the events that occurred in the weeks leading up to the election. Unless you are claiming he had insider knowledge, thus his campaign plan was poor but lucky. 

Hillary was damaged by the revelations about the Clinton Foundation and "cash for access". She must take her share of the blame for her loss.

The Democrats had a fantastic Get Out The Vote Operation for Obama. Did it work this time? Trump was a poor candidate but the Republican National Committee did a good job with a candidate that the party's establishment clearly did not want. 

We'll find out more on the campaign successes and failures in the coming months.

[dorlomin]

24 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Hillary was damaged by the revelations about the Clinton Foundation and "cash for access". She must take her share of the blame for her loss

Cool. Who disagrees. Now the Trump's master plan baloney was failing right up till the 11th hour and the FBI, yes?

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The Democrats had a fantastic Get Out The Vote Operation for Obama. Did it work this time?

HRC 2016 65,844,610

Obama 2012 65,915,795

Did you even check the data for yourself before spouting memes? (Rhetorical)

 

[Bishop Briggs]

1 minute ago, dorlomin said:

HRC 2016 65,844,610

Obama 2012 65,915,795

Did you even check the data for yourself before spouting memes? (Rhetorical)

 

I asked a genuine question about the GOTV operation. 

Those figures suggest that Trump was hurt by the record Libertarian vote (up around 300% IIRC).

[dorlomin]

Just now, Bishop Briggs said:

Those figures suggest that Trump was hurt by the record Libertarian vote (up around 300% IIRC).

Does not change that the FBI intervention hurt HRC or your claim the Democrat get out and vote was somehow especially deficient. Trumps campaign was either poor and headed for defeat or he knew something other people did not. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Does not change that the FBI intervention hurt HRC or your claim the Democrat get out and vote was somehow especially deficient. Trumps campaign was either poor and headed for defeat or he knew something other people did not. 

Clinton could easily have quashed the email shit months before if she had shown even a smidgen of humility - instead she chose to brazen it out instead of taking the mea culpa route.

[dorlomin]

12 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Clinton could easily have quashed the email shit months before if she had shown even a smidgen of humility

Cool but did Trump know this was not to happen?

 

Was Trump a master tactician or did he get lucky. 

Easy question. 

[banana]

Did Obama win twice by losing the popular vote?

Trump himself refused to say whether he'd accept defeat, how do you think some of his more rabid supporters would have reacted?

"Oh well we were beaten fair and square, let's all get behind President Clinton"?

Aye fucking right.

[emoji23]

Projection it is.

Cool but did Trump know this was not to happen?

 

Was Trump a master tactician or did he get lucky. 

Easy question. 

He was obviously largely tactically astute, but you don't have to be a master tactician to work out that campaigning in the 1st and 4th largest states by population (California and NY) was low reward when the game is not won by popular national vote. He campaigned where he needed to to win states. Hillary largely ignored some of her 'safe' states he targeted and won. That's not luck, that's competence & hard work vs. miscalculation & arrogance.

[EdgarusQPFC]