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Sorry for the double quote but there’s another man who had his brain broken. 9/11 was his, uh, 9/11 and it was quite funny to watch Hitchens, the strident atheist, becoming the useful idiot for evangelical Christianity and the neocon agenda. He’d have cheered the glassing of the Middle East.
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4 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html


I don’t really have a problem with someone changing their views and it’s apparent he’s had a shift given he was initially very in favour of the Iraq War and moved to an anti-interventionist position.
 

I don’t either, but he’s just being wilfully contrarian for the sake of it.  He doesn’t believe a word of anything he writes.  

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1 minute ago, Savage Henry said:

I don’t either, but he’s just being wilfully contrarian for the sake of it.  He doesn’t believe a word of anything he writes.  

I'm not entirely sure that's the case, and it's what makes writing him off completely difficult. His writing on Brazil is excellent when I've seen it and he did good work with Snowden.

I don't even have an issue with his "you can't call trumpism fascism until there's literally death squads in the streets", as much as I disagree with it. He just seems to have such an agenda against the Dems post Snowden to the exclusion of focusing on the elephant in the room.

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Is that the sort of thinking from Greenwald we sometimes seen in Detournement where brexit is good because British jobs for British workers but also the EU is racist for not letting in immigrants?


Committed principles battling against your dislike of specific people or forces? Yes.
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They're awash with cash so they might as well. I wonder if it's more about forcing Republicans to shift some resources from elsewhere to shore up Texas. Probably far too late in the game to achieve anything now, it's surely all about GOTV from here.
I wonder if this might be one of those elections where a party does reasonable well at holding the line, but in doing so neglects safer territory and loses it. Would it be a shock to see Trump keep Florida, Arizona and maybe even Pennsylvania but lose Georgia and North Carolina? Right now the polls suggest Trump has as much chance of keeping Michigan as Biden has of winning Montana.
Pennsylvania is the key state - lose that and Trump is dead in the water.
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Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:
2 hours ago, doulikefish said:
Dems chucking another $5.6 million in campaign cash   at Texas this late in the game is "surprising"
 

They are obviously getting reports on the ground that it is closer than polls are stating in Texas.

As Gordon ef said they are awash with cash but i just cant see them chucking it at a lost cause and like you im thinking there has to be a reason for it instead of keeping it in the swing states 

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24 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html


I don’t really have a problem with someone changing their views and it’s apparent he’s had a shift given he was initially very in favour of the Iraq War and moved to an anti-interventionist position.
 

I'm not sure he has changed his views, he just knows that being honest about them would undermine his message to his target audience.  

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17 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
1 hour ago, GordonS said:
They're awash with cash so they might as well. I wonder if it's more about forcing Republicans to shift some resources from elsewhere to shore up Texas. Probably far too late in the game to achieve anything now, it's surely all about GOTV from here.
I wonder if this might be one of those elections where a party does reasonable well at holding the line, but in doing so neglects safer territory and loses it. Would it be a shock to see Trump keep Florida, Arizona and maybe even Pennsylvania but lose Georgia and North Carolina? Right now the polls suggest Trump has as much chance of keeping Michigan as Biden has of winning Montana.

Pennsylvania is the key state - lose that and Trump is dead in the water.

There's more than one key state for Trump - he cannot lose Florida either. But even if he wins both he still needs other marginal states. There's a relatively high number of states up for grabs this time, and Trump needs almost all of them.

16 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

As Gordon ef said they are awash with cash but i just cant see them chucking it at a lost cause and like you im thinking there has to be a reason for it instead of keeping it in the swing states 

Biden's campaign alone (not including the DNC) will have spent well over billion dollars by Tuesday, across all the races Democrats will have spent about $7 billion; $5 million is practically a rounding error. They're probably already saturated in Pennsylvania and Florida and there's no point having a dollar left on Wednesday, so I could see it being worthwhile to force Republicans to campaign in what should be a safe state, and to generate more good publicity.

 

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43 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

I'm not entirely sure that's the case, and it's what makes writing him off completely difficult. His writing on Brazil is excellent when I've seen it and he did good work with Snowden.

I don't even have an issue with his "you can't call trumpism fascism until there's literally death squads in the streets", as much as I disagree with it. He just seems to have such an agenda against the Dems post Snowden to the exclusion of focusing on the elephant in the room.

This is fair, but again, look at the absolute insanity of his “hacked” email chain. Its a baw’s hair away from pizzagate and disappearing servers.  

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I'm not sure he has changed his views, he just knows that being honest about them would undermine his message to his target audience.  

 

Are we talking about his views on American interventionism? If so, do you have anything from

recent years that suggests he’s actually in favour of it?

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11 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

Are we talking about his views on American interventionism? If so, do you have anything from

recent years that suggests he’s actually in favour of it?

Not so much intervention, he probably genuinely changed on that from his dalliance with Ron Paul against Obama. I was thinking more about his attitudes to immigrants maybe explaining his tolerance for Trump.

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Btw it doesn't look like his resignation was spontaneous . From his article explaining it..

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Prior to the extraordinary experience of being censored this week by my own news outlet, I had already been exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet. I have spent a couple of months in active discussions with some of the most interesting, independent and vibrant journalists, writers and commentators across the political spectrum about the feasibility of securing financing for a new outlet that would be designed to combat these trends.

 

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Dumb liberals hate him because he took the piss out of them over Russiagate which has now completely fallen apart. 

That Chris MSNBC idiot spent two years telling his viewers Trump was working for Russian intelligence. That as stupid a conspiracy theory as QAnon but it gets ignored because University educated morons fell for it. 

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22 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Dumb liberals hate him because he took the piss out of them over Russiagate which has now completely fallen apart. 

That Chris MSNBC idiot spent two years telling his viewers Trump was working for Russian intelligence. That as stupid a conspiracy theory as QAnon but it gets ignored because University educated morons fell for it. 

Was it not Greenwald who was dealing directly with Guccifer 2 to get the DNC emails?

Btw, I wonder if he's crying over Bolivia today.

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It is true that in this region (as is true for the U.S.), there remains a small, fervent band of left-wing fanatics with crazed enthusiasm for the worn-out, socialist/collectivist policies which have condemned millions upon millions of people throughout Latin America to poverty unimaginable to even the poorest Americans. These putative "mass demonstrations" in Argentina and Brazil are, in reality, nothing more than a few isolated spray-painting incidents of trite pacifist slogans in Brasilia, and a Cindy Sheehan-like "rally" of hard-core Socialists in Argentina led by an obese, Castro-idolozing, retired soccer player who found time away from his decade-old cocaine addiction to show up wearing an oh-so-clever t-shirt showing Bush's name spelled with a swastika.

In some countries, most notably Venezuela, this vintage left-wing, anti-American fervor is not small, but is predominant, which is what has led that country to be under the repressive thumb of Fidel Castro-copy Hugo Chavez, whose primary interest in attending this Latin American regional summit seems to be to lure Bush and the U.S. into some sort of game of childish taunts rather than doing something constructive to aid his impoverished, unstable country.

As is true in U.S., the Latin American socialist agitators who have captured the attention and affection of the American media are as substance-less as they are inconsequential. They are lovers of Fidel Castro. The insist that the source of their severe economic woes is not their collectivist policies or national character, of course, but the evil economic policies of the U.S. At the same time, of course, they are furious that the evil U.S. is not providing them with greater economic aid.
 

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality-of-latin-american-reaction-to.html

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Just seen on Twitter that Donny has been tweeting again. Sent a tweet at 02.57 US time to say that if Biden wins the election and the Supreme Court allows it then it's their fault that the country will apparently be in ruins.

How has he not had that phone removed? Tweeting at that time of the morning with another blame game really isn't a good look. Quite a few of the comments back are pointing out that calling his opponent 'sleepy' at 3am isn't really an insult 😄

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Again though that’s in 2005 before what I think was his quite public volte face. Is there anything from recent memory that indicates he doesn’t support movements such as MAS or the Cuban government?

I genuinely have no idea about his views on immigration. I suspect they’re probably in line with the Nagles and Traceys of the world which would be one explanation for why he supports them.
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18 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Was it not Greenwald who was dealing directly with Guccifer 2 to get the DNC emails?

Btw, I wonder if he's crying over Bolivia today.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality-of-latin-american-reaction-to.html

I don't think he had anything to do with the DNC emails.

That he used to be a right wing arsehole isn't some massive own. He was an upper middle class lawyer with views that reflected his class position. He deserves credit for overcoming them. 

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4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

I don't think he had anything to do with the DNC emails.

That he used to be a right wing arsehole isn't some massive own. He was an upper middle class lawyer with views that reflected his class position. He deserves credit for overcoming them. 

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak-reveals-clinton-campaigns-cozy-press-relationship/

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