The Official Former President Trump thread

[NotThePars]

41 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

I can never make my mind up about Greenwald. 

He's a great investigative journalist that puts nearly every one of his liberal critics to shame and he's a brave man for continuing to reside in Brazil under the threat of fascists who've openly threatened him and his family but he's also a complete arsehole who's had his contrarian argumentative brain broken by those same liberals. He's every bit as obsessed with the Russia gate hoax as everyone he argued against for 3 years.

Him owning Bill Maher was class though, just absolutely seen him off. 

 

[Savage Henry]

2 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

He's a great investigative journalist that puts nearly every one of his liberal critics to shame and he's a brave man for continuing to reside in Brazil under the threat of fascists who've openly threatened him and his family but he's also a complete arsehole who's had his contrarian argumentative brain broken by those same liberals. He's every bit as obsessed with the Russia gate hoax as everyone he argued against for 3 years.

Him owning Bill Maher was class though, just absolutely seen him off. 

 

He comes across as a whiney Hunter S Thompson wannabe in his email chain with his editor.    

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

He's a great investigative journalist that puts nearly every one of his liberal critics to shame and he's a brave man for continuing to reside in Brazil under the threat of fascists who've openly threatened him and his family but he's also a complete arsehole who's had his contrarian argumentative brain broken by those same liberals. He's every bit as obsessed with the Russia gate hoax as everyone he argued against for 3 years.

Him owning Bill Maher was class though, just absolutely seen him off. 

 

He's right about Russiagate though. 

The Washington Post exposed that the majority of the allegations came from an alchy living in Cyprus who was an ex school mate of Steele's researcher.

[Granny Danger]

33 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said:

Which category were you going for with this?

#35

[NotThePars]

5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

He's right about Russiagate though. 

The Washington Post exposed that the majority of the allegations came from an alchy living in Cyprus who was an ex school mate of Steele's researcher.

Right of course but he's also let it consume him for four years or whatever to the point he was going on Tucker Carlson and that to gloat. Just a bit odd. 

 

7 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

He comes across as a whiney Hunter S Thompson wannabe in his email chain with his editor.    

he reminds me of that old adage "yeah you might be right but have you considered that you're also being an arsehole?". I do like him and think he's a valuable person to have in the public sphere all things considered. I just watched that Maher bit again and it's so funny how he doesn't let any of Maher's little snide comments go unchallenged. 

[Detournement]

He is one of the few people who changed their politics. He went from an Iraq War supporting corporate lawyer to left wing anti imperialism. He's hated because he can use the rhetorical skills he picked up as a lawyer against his own class. 

His English language output has been focussed on trolling folk like Savage Henry which is petty compared to his older work. However his work in Brazil/Portuguese since 2016 has been incredibly important and puts to shame all of his critics. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Detournement

[Savage Henry]

16 minutes ago, Detournement said:

He is one of the few people who changed their politics. He went from an Iraq War supporting corporate lawyer to left wing anti imperialism. He's hated because he can use the rhetorical skills he picked up as a lawyer against his own class. 

His English language output has been focussed on trolling folk like Savage Henry which is petty compared to his older work. However his work in Brazil/Portuguese since 2016 has been incredibly important and puts to shame all of his critics. 

 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Savage Henry

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Rapper Lil Wayne says he is voting for Trump,

Libspolsion on Twitter that he’s an idiot, a sell out and anti-black.

There’s nothing like trying to take the high road and convince people your right than losing it and calling them names.

[Mark Connolly]

9 hours ago, Savage Henry said:

 

That's absolutely tremendous.

[madwullie]

10 hours ago, Detournement said:

I don't think he is contact with Rudy G. And where's the value in promoting Trump stories that the WaPo/NYT are all over every inch of?

Greenwald winds up wealthy Iiberals because he is basically one of them yet calls them out. 

Also he didn't get dumped. He quit and gave up a massive salary that was supposed to buy the Intercept some credibility.

Have you seen the emails between him and the editors / owners about his resignation?edit: ah, Nvm, read the thread

Edited October 30, 2020 by madwullie

[doulikefish]

Theres over 400 law suits in various states about the election already

 

[doulikefish]

Dems chucking another $5.6 million in campaign cash   at Texas this late in the game is "surprising"

 

[NotThePars]

[emoji23]
 

I saw Natasha Lennard rubbishing his claims as well. Only thought that was notable cause I enjoyed her Being Numerous book and that she’s a writer at The Intercept as well.

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

10 hours ago, Savage Henry said:

 

Found this through that, a very long but decent summary of why I've never been able to take to Greenwald. 

 

[harry94]

7 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

Found this through that, a very long but decent summary of why I've never been able to take to Greenwald. 

 

He's been full of shit for years and dining out on his reputation from being the point of contact re Snowden. It's one thing to argue his viewpoint that the intentions of a source are secondary to distributing news content but it's another thing to live in outright denial of reality.

He tried to stand on some contrarian denial thing re Guccifer 2.0 and their established affiliation to Russian intelligence and then seemed to go off the rails completely and burrow himself into a whole in how he's justified that and went a bit mental.

[NotThePars]

Found this through that, a very long but decent summary of why I've never been able to take to Greenwald. 
 

He has a far bigger cushion to fall back on than a contemporary like Matt Taibbi who’s also had his brain broken by cancel culture.

Michael Tracey is an ugly worm with nothing but contrariness to fall back on.

[welshbairn]

 

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, doulikefish said:

Dems chucking another $5.6 million in campaign cash   at Texas this late in the game is "surprising"

 

They're awash with cash so they might as well. I wonder if it's more about forcing Republicans to shift some resources from elsewhere to shore up Texas. Probably far too late in the game to achieve anything now, it's surely all about GOTV from here.

I wonder if this might be one of those elections where a party does reasonable well at holding the line, but in doing so neglects safer territory and loses it. Would it be a shock to see Trump keep Florida, Arizona and maybe even Pennsylvania but lose Georgia and North Carolina? Right now the polls suggest Trump has as much chance of keeping Michigan as Biden has of winning Montana.

[welshbairn]

Trump is the man Greenwald's been waiting for since 2005 at least, when he wrote this.

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To the rapidly expanding list of throbbing internal problems in the Republican Party, one can add, and it should really be placed near the top of the list, the dilemma of illegal immigration. And today’s Op-Ed in the Washington Post by GOP strategist and former White House official Leslie Sanchez, in which she cynically and baselessly blames the loss of the GOP Virginia gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore on his fervent opposition to illegal immigration, illustrates why the GOP has been so passive and fearful when it comes to dealing with this problem.

And yet few problems are more pressing. Over the past several years, illegal immigrants have poured into the United States by the millions. The wave of illegals entering the country is steadily increasing. The people living in the border states of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico know this flow has to be drastically slowed and then halted. The situation is so dire in that region that the Democratic Governors of Arizona and New Mexico were forced to declare States of Emergency as a result of the flow of illegals into their states and the resulting, massive problems which it brings.

The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.

A substantial part of the GOP base urgently wants Republicans, who now control the entire Federal Government, to take the lead in enforcing our nation’s immigration laws. And yet the GOP, despite its unchallenged control, does virtually nothing, infuriating this sector of its party. The White House does worse than nothing; to the extent it acts on this issue at all, it is to introduce legislation designed to sanction and approve of illegal immigration through its “guest worker” program, a first cousin of all-out amnesty for illegal immigrants.
 

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html

[NotThePars]

Trump is the man Greenwald's been waiting for since 2005 at least, when he wrote this.

To the rapidly expanding list of throbbing internal problems in the Republican Party, one can add, and it should really be placed near the top of the list, the dilemma of illegal immigration. And today’s Op-Ed in the Washington Post by GOP strategist and former White House official Leslie Sanchez, in which she cynically and baselessly blames the loss of the GOP Virginia gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore on his fervent opposition to illegal immigration, illustrates why the GOP has been so passive and fearful when it comes to dealing with this problem.
And yet few problems are more pressing. Over the past several years, illegal immigrants have poured into the United States by the millions. The wave of illegals entering the country is steadily increasing. The people living in the border states of California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico know this flow has to be drastically slowed and then halted. The situation is so dire in that region that the Democratic Governors of Arizona and New Mexico were forced to declare States of Emergency as a result of the flow of illegals into their states and the resulting, massive problems which it brings.
The parade of evils caused by illegal immigration is widely known, and it gets worse every day. In short, illegal immigration wreaks havoc economically, socially, and culturally; makes a mockery of the rule of law; and is disgraceful just on basic fairness grounds alone. Few people dispute this, and yet nothing is done.
A substantial part of the GOP base urgently wants Republicans, who now control the entire Federal Government, to take the lead in enforcing our nation’s immigration laws. And yet the GOP, despite its unchallenged control, does virtually nothing, infuriating this sector of its party. The White House does worse than nothing; to the extent it acts on this issue at all, it is to introduce legislation designed to sanction and approve of illegal immigration through its “guest worker” program, a first cousin of all-out amnesty for illegal immigrants.
 

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html


I don’t really have a problem with someone changing their views and it’s apparent he’s had a shift given he was initially very in favour of the Iraq War and moved to an anti-interventionist position.