Savage Henry Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, harry94 said: He isn't that stupid, I doubt he's read these documents but he's obviously got some skill at committing crime to get away with it. He's just trying to inflame tensions. If there's a bit of a swing and the election is close in some states, he'll take it through the courts. Also, if he can cause some trouble and rile up his nutjobs who disrupt things on the day of the election, that could present a window of opportunity for the state governors to suspend things. Trump is a bona fide moron, but he also knows he can’t change the date of the election. Which is why he says what he says - to raise the ire of the, in his eyes, liberal commentators who still struggle with the idea of taking Trump literally and not seriously, whereas they should be taking him seriously but not literally. Make no bones about it, if the GOP had any decency, he’d have been removed from office, but they don’t. So it’s up to the electorate - as Mueller reported to anyone with the sense to understand it would realise - to do their job. The Republican Party is absolutely screwed for at least a generation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 I've still got a hope that Obama does something big for the world (rather than just for himself).Yes his hands were tied as president and you only really get good at the job in the last couple of years. But now he's got everything he needs. He's made his money, he's had a break, he's still relatively young, and has got the contacts needed to do whatever he wants with his retirement.Jimmy Carter arguably did more good after he stopped being president, and I'm looking for Obama to go the same. He's got some brass neck to do this on the same day more documents acussing him of sexual abuse on Paedo Island were released. Think you’ll be waiting a while, Panda. The Republican Party is absolutely screwed for at least a generation. It's a wee bit concerning they've picked Biden on that basis but we'll see.Nah, Covid has probably sorted it for Biden but rumours of the Republican Party’s death are grossly exaggerated. They said the same in 2008 and 2016 and the next four years are gonnae be horrific for the US. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 On the topic of the Obamas the advertising for Michelle's Spotify podcast is making me yearn for the days of paying £15 quid for a Ash album. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: always had you down as a torrent behind 7 proxies kinda guy Spotify is worth paying. Torrents are for movies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Truly frightening how for so many people the answer is just to turn the clock back to 2016. Biden will benefit from this understandable desire and likely win but long run its an insane strategy imo. I just want to see the Settle for Biden lot defend Larry’s Summer of Foreclosures in 2022 while the party Weekend at Bernie’s Biden’s State of the Union. Although Trump’s level of patter will never be repeated there’s still a lot of banter in a Biden presidency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 The problem with this is that the imitation never quite matches up to the real thing. It's like the times when you can tell a staffer has composed some of Trump's tweets - they're using the right words etc but there's something about the syntax that just can't be replicated. Yea it’s impossible to gauge which words Trump capitalises or puts in quotation marks. Will look forward to Biden’s staffers trying to draft policy based off his mad tangents like making Portuguese a listed ethnicity or mandating slacks for government employees. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 23 hours ago, HTG said: Watching Obama on CNN and it's still hard to believe how the world went from that calibre of leader to the current colossal arsehole in a matter of days. Trump will be the first president to see the inside of a cell unless he dies before it can happen imo. If he’s jailed it will be for state crimes; Biden will give him a pardon for all federal crimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 10 hours ago, pandarilla said: I've still got a hope that Obama does something big for the world (rather than just for himself). Yes his hands were tied as president and you only really get good at the job in the last couple of years. But now he's got everything he needs. He's made his money, he's had a break, he's still relatively young, and has got the contacts needed to do whatever he wants with his retirement. Jimmy Carter arguably did more good after he stopped being president, and I'm looking for Obama to go the same. I believe he's going to be a "strong, robust, united and effective partner" when it comes to Indy ref 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 On 30/07/2020 at 14:15, The Minertaur said: Trump calling for a delay in the election. Is this the "Hearts Defence"? "I might lose, so it's no' fair." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Truly frightening how for so many people the answer is just to turn the clock back to 2016. Biden will benefit from this understandable desire and likely win but long run its an insane strategy imo. Think theres a real possibility of Biden only being a one term president and standing down in 2024 to allow one of the new breed to take things forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: If he’s jailed it will be for state crimes; Biden will give him a pardon for all federal crimes. Epstein 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: If he’s jailed it will be for state crimes; Biden will give him a pardon for all federal crimes. Not according to Biden - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-trump-n1207531 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 If Trump/Biden are the best that America can offer then they should go about changing the constitution so that President's can stay in their role longer/can be re-elected as many times as they like. Obama is literally light years ahead of the pair of them. Hell, even ol' W doesn't appear like the bumbling embarrassing war monger he is when he's held up to them two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Not one of our political heavy weights were able to explain that the powers to set the date for the election lie with the Congress (see article II). Quote The Congress may determine the Time of chusing [sic] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution Instead "Obama cuased Trump because I am tiwtter edumacated". Who needs well constructed arguments when you have empty rhetoric and an angry assertions. The gibbering of caged baboons. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 At least when Kincy hits the gin he remains coherent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 6 hours ago, NotThePars said: At least when Kincy hits the gin he remains coherent Arguable. In other news Trumpy is going to use a Presidential Order to ban TikTok in the USA I'm going to assume the reason given will be "security concerns" as it's Chinese, but more likely someone will have given him a stat telling him it's the platform where he's most frequently mocked. I should point out that TikTok is utterly shite, it's just funny that the fat, orange gibbon is so fucking fragile that he needs to ban an entire social media network for taking the piss out of him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 12 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: If Trump/Biden are the best that America can offer then they should go about changing the constitution so that President's can stay in their role longer/can be re-elected as many times as they like. Obama is literally light years ahead of the pair of them. Hell, even ol' W doesn't appear like the bumbling embarrassing war monger he is when he's held up to them two. Yeah, the revisionist take on W. Is a bit tough to take. That said, unlike Trump, he had at least a semblance of policy nous, nuance in diplomacy and relatively coherent (if disagreeable) policy. Trump is every bit as at the whim of the free market and the military. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Correct. I get that people may have other ways of measuring who's 'worst' but Bush directly caused several orders of magnitude more deaths. Us presidents, especially Republican ones have a propensity for conflict. Daddy Bush and Ronny Raygun in particular. Give Trump a second term and I reckon he will outdo them all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Go on then dorlomin, what do you think caused Trump. References to caged baboons optional. "Its complex" Caged baboons trying to sound clever: Quote Obama caused Trump on a couple of levels tbh. Cant do complex. There is no single answer. This was discussed to death back in 2016, when this subforum was still vaguely coherent. Much of it was luck, He stumbled upon a formula for appealing to an increasingly disaffected block of the public by accident. But as has been said many times, its part of a much larger global process. Corbyn, Sanders, Bolsonaro, AfD, Brexit and many other political movements emerged at a similar time and with similarities in promising an easy return to a better time, a more simple politics that solves all the complex problems. Reversing some or other aspects of the modern world, be they demographic, especially immigration or economic like magicking jobs lost to China or "off shoring neoliberals" etc. One of the clear indications of a global trend was this a few years ago, the contraction of social democratic parties in Europe. It has been argued by many academics that the electoral alliance of liberal middle class and the working class that held social democratic parties together is now fundamentally broken. The latter see immigration and globalisation as a threat to the economic well being while the latter see it as giving them more economic opportunities and making society more multicultural. This is in itself a heavy oversimplification but this has to be brief and we are discussing very large topics. So the trend in the west against the kind of politics of the Democratic Party is as much at work in the US as the EU. Then there is the role social media plays in training people to be more reactionary, more polarised on issues. Again this has been discussed many times. The political landscape 2008-2016 in the US was one that severely constrained the space in which the administration had to move. It had only so many issues it could push forward on while dealing with the fallout of a catastrophic economic collapse. Understanding that it was constrained requires a level of nuance that we do not do here on P&B anymore. Obama selected health care as his number one issue. It took him most of his presidency to push that forward. The caged baboons will still shriek that he did not do enough or that every other issue on his plate was mishandled, its easy to then say "x,y,z caused Trump". Any Democratic president would have faced the same hostility and had to select a very narrow policy agenda, while fighting against global trends. The loss of The House in 2010 made an impossible job worse. The rise of the Tea Party was a clear indication of the direction of travel. After 2010 Obama could not even get a Supreme Court Justice appointed. Our world is increasingly complex so people now retreat into simplifications. Those simplifications are rewarding and make people feel "smart". They take little effort. So that is where Trump supporters are and that is where most of this politics forum is. When someone points to the complexity, or obvious errors, or nonsense in posts, they simply affect the air of imperious intellectualism and say crap like "well off course that is not what I meant". It posing. Or to be blunt, the gibbering of caged baboons. Edited August 1, 2020 by dorlomin -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 15 hours ago, carpetmonster said: Not according to Biden - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-trump-n1207531 It might be the first “promise” that Biden breaks. Might be the 20th. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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