killiepiemuncher Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 If trump wasn’t rich....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The Trump might not run has been getting some traction here, this is satire but quite good. https://thebulwark.com/trumps-farewell-address/?fbclid=IwAR3us7nCj2_psJNmjN2hmuI9Mr3qujSQNr3Hld5bSSE1MIgevP0-PfTO0ek 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Bad news for Afghans. Good news for #resistance types. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, BillyAnchor said: The Trump might not run has been getting some traction here, this is satire but quite good https://thebulwark.com/trumps-farewell-address/?fbclid=IwAR3us7nCj2_psJNmjN2hmuI9Mr3qujSQNr3Hld5bSSE1MIgevP0-PfTO0ek The Bulwark podcast is usually just never Trumpers agreeing with themselves, but occasionally there’s some good stuff on there. It’s at least an attempt for a talking shop for moderate conservatives and former GOP members. I quite like it, even though I’d take issue with about 90% of their beliefs. James Carville is one hell of an interesting bloke. Edited July 3, 2020 by Savage Henry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Detournement said: Bad news for Afghans. Maybe not so much for Afghans worried about the Taliban taking over again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, welshbairn said: Maybe not so much for Afghans worried about the Taliban taking over again. As usual, he’s being wilfully contrarian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: James Carville is one hell of an interesting bloke. He spent a decade helping neoliberal Latin American politicians inflict misery on their populations by privatising everything they could. A c**t. 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Maybe not so much for Afghans worried about the Taliban taking over again. Vichy Afghans will be worried. The majority surely want the war to be over after 19 fucking years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Vichy Afghans will be worried. The majority surely want the war to be over after 19 fucking years. Not sure who's who in this WW2 analogy. Are the Taliban the Nazis? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Not sure who's who in this WW2 analogy. Are the Taliban the Nazis? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: Maybe not so much for Afghans worried about the Taliban taking over again. It's surely delaying the inevitable at this point? Does anyone apart from US imperialists actually sincerely believe there's anything to be salvaged? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 3 hours ago, NotThePars said: It's surely delaying the inevitable at this point? Does anyone apart from US imperialists actually sincerely believe there's anything to be salvaged? I don't see any option that won't bring more misery and violence to the Afghan people. There's a total split in culture between the rural and urban populations, one aiming to progress to the 21st century, the other wanting back to medieval times. Back in the Seventies before the Soviets got involved and later the Americans they used to get on reasonably well in parallel, it used to be on the hippy trail. Now with the medieval lot radicalised by the Saudis and urbanites expecting modernity from Soviet and American encouragement there's no room for compromise. Most likely the Taliban will take over, then split into competing warlord led factions and another 20 years of civil war. The Americans pulling out is inevitable but will likely be disastrous for anyone madly liberal who believes in things like girls going to school. The big bad Yankee Imperialists evacuating won't leave the liberated peasants dancing happily in harmony. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Maybe places like Afghanistan are just unsuitable for what we all think of as countries.It's also not neccesarily any of our (Americas) business tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Trump Jnr wasn't at his fathers speech last night as his partner has tested positive for coronavirus. Spoiler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, RiG said: Trump Jnr wasn't at his fathers speech last night as his partner has tested positive for coronavirus. Reveal hidden contents It’s still a hoax though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 9 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Maybe places like Afghanistan are just unsuitable for what we all think of as countries. If someone said that about an African country that was struggling for development it would be called out as racism. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/afghanistan/education-statistics/af-literacy-rate-youth-male--of-males-aged-1524 Countries with low literacy rates are prone to instability. The greatest failures of the western intervention is that while great strides had been made in education they were still way short of what was needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 17 hours ago, NotThePars said: It's surely delaying the inevitable at this point? Does anyone apart from US imperialists actually sincerely believe there's anything to be salvaged? 32 millions of human beings. The Taliban are an imperialist project. They are Pakistani imperialism and an attempt to form a shock troop of ultra conservative Salafists war, in part on India. It had been turned into a state whos purpose was to spread a version of militant jihadism across the world. From that base al Queda had been able to launch the East African Embassy Bombings, the attacks on the USS Cole and the September 11 assaults. There eyes were fixed on targets such as Kashmir and Indonesia. After they were removed the jihadism in the west slowly devolved from technically sophisticated attacks into knives and truck attacks. What happens will depend heavily on the ability of people in that country to get some momentum behind nation building. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: 1 hour ago, dorlomin said: If someone said that about an African country that was struggling for development it would be called out as racism. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/afghanistan/education-statistics/af-literacy-rate-youth-male--of-males-aged-1524 Countries with low literacy rates are prone to instability. The greatest failures of the western intervention is that while great strides had been made in education they were still way short of what was needed. Maybe places like Western Sahara are unsuitable for what we think of as countries. The relatively recent concept of the Nation State has been disastrous for the Middle East, much of Africa, and other regions around the globe. A lot of people get on a lot better when they're left alone to communicate with their neighbours without centrally imposed geographical boundaries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 11 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Maybe places like Afghanistan are just unsuitable for what we all think of as countries. Similarly to my above reply, Afghanistan used to do fine with city dwellers doing what they wanted without interfering too much with what rural dwellers wanted, before other countries got involved saying certain rights have to be universal whether you want them or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The relatively recent concept of the Nation State has been disastrous for the Middle East, much of Africa, and other regions around the globe. A lot of people get on a lot better when they're left alone to communicate with their neighbours without centrally imposed geographical boundaries. Exactly. And yet so many ostensibly nationalist movements in the region, such as it is, aim to create nation states, very much in the Westphalian style. I don’t know if there anything inherently wrong in the notion, but it’s certainly not a great way to analyse the region (which in itself is a construct which doesn’t fit neatly with that way of analysis). It’s certainly not the gateway to stability as it was in Europe. Edited July 4, 2020 by Savage Henry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The relatively recent concept of the Nation State has been disastrous for the Middle East, much of Africa, and other regions around the globe. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?display=graph&locations=JO-EG-SA That is drivel. Quote A lot of people get on a lot better when they're left alone to communicate with their neighbours without centrally imposed geographical boundaries. Are you on the wind up. Is this one of those comments where everyone says you were supposed to see it was sarcastic when someone takes it seriously. What the f**k are "centrally imposed geographical boundaries.". Central government raises a mountain range? Builds a river? When was this anarchist Utopia in the Middle East? Under the Ottomans, the Mamaluk Sultanate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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