Detournement Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: In some states Biden out polled Sanders by almost 9 to 1 amongst black voters. Biden will win the nomination because a lot of black voters effectively see him as an Obama endorsed candidate. It's completely arse backwards as he was the driving force behind the crime bill in the early 90s which militarised the police and forced judges to award harsh sentences which was a disaster for African American communities. All over the world there seems to be a disconnect between legislative events and electoral choices. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 So Trump has banned travel from the Schengen. Presumably airlines will be going down the shitter. The US government can bail out their's no problem. The EU not so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Why can't the EU? Because the Germans demand fiscal discipline and it will be politically impossible to bail out large corporations while also continuing to impose strict austerity on Eurozone citizens. They will probably try to help them through the secret corporate bond buying program but that won't be enough if this goes on for a while. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 19 hours ago, welshbairn said: Aye. Some people think that the only way to make the dumb proles wake up and vote for a pristine Socialist candidate is 4 more years of the same. Like the UK election... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Detournement said: So Trump has banned travel from the Schengen. Presumably airlines will be going down the shitter. The US government can bail out their's no problem. The EU not so much. It is the world's misfortune that at a time of crisis the fuckwit is still in place. And the edict isn't even coherent; no nationals from the Schengen countries will be admitted to the US but American nationals will - presumably they'll have tossed their virus strains into the Atlantic on the flight over. However, the US is damn right to be fearful as it has no welfare system to speak of, and millions of poor folk who can't afford to access to healthcare, medicines or insurance. Trump won't wish to discuss this reality, he is too busy spreading falsehoods about the readiness of the nation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Detournement said: So Trump has banned travel from the Schengen. Presumably airlines will be going down the shitter. The US government can bail out their's no problem. The EU not so much. The EU and European governments, including the UK, heavily subsidise Airbus to the tune of Billions which pissed Daft Donnie and Boeing off, so if the airlines hit rock bottom there is no doubt the EU will step in. The UK gov threw money at Flybe foolishly as it turned out, and I'm sure that the EU and UK still don't tax aviation fuel, though that might have been cut. Edited March 12, 2020 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: It is the world's misfortune that at a time of crisis the fuckwit is still in place. And the edict isn't even coherent; no nationals from the Schengen countries will be admitted to the US but American nationals will - presumably they'll have tossed their virus strains into the Atlantic on the flight over. However, the US is damn right to be fearful as it has no welfare system to speak of, and millions of poor folk who can't afford to access to healthcare, medicines or insurance. Trump won't wish to discuss this reality, he is too busy spreading falsehoods about the readiness of the nation. Can't the Europeans catch a flight to Heathrow from their own country, if they must travel, and then transit to say a BA American bound flight? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: It is the world's misfortune that at a time of crisis the fuckwit is still in place. And the edict isn't even coherent; no nationals from the Schengen countries will be admitted to the US but American nationals will - presumably they'll have tossed their virus strains into the Atlantic on the flight over. However, the US is damn right to be fearful as it has no welfare system to speak of, and millions of poor folk who can't afford to access to healthcare, medicines or insurance. Trump won't wish to discuss this reality, he is too busy spreading falsehoods about the readiness of the nation. They can't ban US citizens from the USA it would be illegal as well as crazily unpopular. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, SandyCromarty said: Can't the Europeans catch a flight to Heathrow from their own country, if they must travel, and then transit to say a BA American bound flight? They need to not have been in Schengen for 14 days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 They need to not have been in Schengen for 14 days.Yup. And the fat blokes at immigration will have their flight records on their wee computers so they can’t lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: It is the world's misfortune that at a time of crisis the fuckwit is still in place. And the edict isn't even coherent; no nationals from the Schengen countries will be admitted to the US but American nationals will - presumably they'll have tossed their virus strains into the Atlantic on the flight over. However, the US is damn right to be fearful as it has no welfare system to speak of, and millions of poor folk who can't afford to access to healthcare, medicines or insurance. Trump won't wish to discuss this reality, he is too busy spreading falsehoods about the readiness of the nation. The US has a welfare system and unemployment insurance, they operate a two tier tax system where you pay a state and a federal tax, the federal goverment pays a third of the welfare across the board to assist each individual state in welfare payments. Let me clear another misnomer, it is quoted so many times that if you have a serious accident and have no insurance then you die, that is not the case, the city will pick up the bill to get you back to a healthy condition, what they will not pay for is rehab or any further treatment. Americans also have a more rigorous tax system than ours, US citizens working overseas still pay full American taxes unless they are permanently based in any country but even then they still have to fill out tax forms. Consider many UK citizens living in Spain for example who do not pay UK tax and in many cases not even Spanish tax. Edited March 12, 2020 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Detournement said: They need to not have been in Schengen for 14 days. So the wealthy stay in the UK for the 14 days and then travel? doesn't make sense of the ban. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 or, as I seen this morning, it may be possible to come into the UK on Eurostar or Ferry from Europe as passports are not stamped and fly out of a UK airport. On the election I noticed quite a few Americans saying they would get behind Biden just to get Trump out - even though they wanted Sanders. Also, is there any benefit long term (and to try and group the Dems) to try and get someone like Warren as VP? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 The US has a welfare system and unemployment insurance, they operate a two tier tax system where you pay a state and a federal tax, the federal goverment pays a third of the welfare across the board to assist each individual state in welfare payments. Let me clear another misnomer, it is quoted so many times that if you have a serious accident and have no insurance then you die, that is not the case, the city will pick up the bill to get you back to a healthy condition, what they will not pay for is rehab or any further treatment. Americans also have a more rigorous tax system than ours, US citizens working overseas still pay full American taxes unless they are permanently based in any country but even then they still have to fill out tax forms. Consider many UK citizens living in Spain for example who do not pay UK tax and in many cases not even Spanish tax.Some states have an income tax, some don't. Illinois does, Florida doesn't. Some cities have a municipality tax also; NYC and Philly do, and Chicago has been examining it, although Mayor Lightfoot isn't in favor. It's all going to be a big mess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Yup. And the fat blokes at immigration will have their flight records on their wee computers so they can’t lie. No Homeland Security will be able to tell if you have or not due to location tracking on smartphones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 The US has a welfare system and unemployment insurance, they operate a two tier tax system where you pay a state and a federal tax, the federal goverment pays a third of the welfare across the board to assist each individual state in welfare payments. Let me clear another misnomer, it is quoted so many times that if you have a serious accident and have no insurance then you die, that is not the case, the city will pick up the bill to get you back to a healthy condition, what they will not pay for is rehab or any further treatment. Americans also have a more rigorous tax system than ours, US citizens working overseas still pay full American taxes unless they are permanently based in any country but even then they still have to fill out tax forms. Consider many UK citizens living in Spain for example who do not pay UK tax and in many cases not even Spanish tax.I think you're being a bit generous there - there are currently millions of Americans who have little by way of a financial or social care safety net and it's fanciful to suggest that will alter in the face of a pandemic. Take a read at 'Deep South' by Paul Theroux and you'll get an idea of the numbers involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 $1.5 trillion of QE announced to keep American stocks flying high. Can't afford to give people health care though! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Lindsey Graham has gone into self quarantine. Someone should tell him it’s 30 years to be on the safe side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Tick fucking tock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Tick fucking tock. Peter Dutton (bald guy to right of Ivanka), Australian Home Affairs Minister has just tested positive for Coronavirus. Photo was taken a week ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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