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[Detournement]

Assange has not been charged with any crime in Sweden. He is not the subject of any open criminal investigation in Sweden.

But for some reason the British media and many MPs are calling for him to be extradited to Sweden. Very strange.

[Cyclizine]

16 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Assange has not been charged with any crime in Sweden. He is not the subject of any open criminal investigation in Sweden.

But for some reason the British media and many MPs are calling for him to be extradited to Sweden. Very strange.

Again, you're just showing your ignorance of Swedish law by assuming it works the same as in Scotland.

[Detournement]

Just now, Cyclizine said:

Again, you're just showing your ignorance of Swedish law by assuming it works the same as in Scotland.

He has never been charged with a crime in Sweden (even after eventually being interviewed in London) and there is no open investigation. Ardin's complaint (featuring the condom with no DNA) is finished on the statute of limitations and with the other charge it's dubious whether the alleged victim actually thinks she was raped.

Saying he should be sent to Sweden while Sweden have no formal interest in him is ludicrous. It's a ploy to reduce his public support (as are constant stories about his hygiene and fake news about dirty protests) and a stragety for liberal MPs to avoid saying he should not be sent to the USA.

[Cyclizine]

14 minutes ago, Detournement said:

He has never been charged with a crime in Sweden (even after eventually being interviewed in London) and there is no open investigation. Ardin's complaint (featuring the condom with no DNA) is finished on the statute of limitations and with the other charge it's dubious whether the alleged victim actually thinks she was raped.

Saying he should be sent to Sweden while Sweden have no formal interest in him is ludicrous. It's a ploy to reduce his public support (as are constant stories about his hygiene and fake news about dirty protests) and a stragety for liberal MPs to avoid saying he should not be sent to the USA.

You're still not helping yourself here. The Swedish investigation is dormant as they could not get the access they required to Assange. Now he's in custody, the Swedish prosecutor can decide to resume the investigation.

[welshbairn]

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Update in the Assange case
11-04-2019
After media reports that Julian Assange has been arrested in London, the counsel for the injured party has requested the Swedish preliminary investigation concerning rape be resumed. The case will be handled by the Swedish Prosecution Authority’s Development Centre in Gothenburg.
Director of Public Prosecution and Head of the Development Centre, Mikael Björk, has decided that Deputy Director of Public Prosecution Eva-Marie Persson will lead the work regarding the request from the counsel for the injured party.

- We will now examine the case in order to determine how to proceed. The investigation has not yet been resumed, and we do not know today whether it will be. Furthermore, we cannot set a timetable for when any such decision will be made, says Deputy Director of Public Prosecution, Eva-Marie Persson.

A preliminary investigation can be resumed as long as the suspected crime is not subject to statute of limitation. In this case, the suspected crime of rape would be subject to statute of limitation in mid-August 2020.

The prosecutor cannot give further information for the time being. When information becomes available, this will be provided via a press release.

 

[Detournement]

10 minutes ago, Cyclizine said:

You're still not helping yourself here. The Swedish investigation is dormant as they could not get the access they required to Assange. Now he's in custody, the Swedish prosecutor can decide to resume the investigation.

They interviewed him in London in 2014 (I think). They were willing to do this immediately but the UK told them not to.

There has been nothing to stop them charging him.

So the update is nothing is happening.

Edited April 14, 2019 by Detournement

[Cyclizine]

13 minutes ago, Detournement said:

They interviewed him in London in 2014 (I think). They were willing to do this immediately but the UK told them not to.

There has been nothing to stop them charging him.

So the update is nothing is happening.

Is it possible for you to understand that different countries' legal systems might be not be the same? Being 'charged' with a crime is not how it works.

There is a suspended preliminary investigation at the moment. The Swedish prosecutor has every right to resume the investigation. It doesn't mean that it will progress to a criminal trial.

[Detournement]

11 minutes ago, Cyclizine said:

Is it possible for you to understand that different countries' legal systems might be not be the same? Being 'charged' with a crime is not how it works.

There is a suspended preliminary investigation at the moment. The Swedish prosecutor has every right to resume the investigation. It doesn't mean that it will progress to a criminal trial.

The bottom line is nothing is happening in Sweden regarding JA.

It's a deflection tactic so the media don't have to discuss the prospect of him being sent to the USA until he is on the plane.

[Cyclizine]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The bottom line is nothing is happening in Sweden regarding JA.

It's a deflection tactic so the media don't have to discuss the prospect of him being sent to the USA until he is on the plane.

Aye, okay. Let's leave it there since you obviously have no clue.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, Cyclizine said:

Aye, okay. Let's leave it there since you obviously have no clue.

Aye give us a shout when Sweden reopens the investigation.

It'll be about five minutes after the DOJ plane takes off.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

Aye give us a shout when Sweden reopens the investigation.

It'll be about five minutes after the DOJ plane takes off.

The American case will go to appeal for years, and he's got zero chance of bail after doing his time for skipping it last time. He's played things appalling badly, locking himself up for 10 years to avoid facing charges in a country from which extradition to America is far less likely than here.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

They interviewed him in London in 2014 (I think). They were willing to do this immediately but the UK told them not to.
There has been nothing to stop them charging him.
So the update is nothing is happening.

Being interviewed and bring charged are not the same thing. I would suggest that he needs to be interviewed first before being charged (if they feel a charge is appropriate).

You have fallen in to the old rape denier trap.

[Detournement]

6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Being interviewed and bring charged are not the same thing. I would suggest that he needs to be interviewed first before being charged (if they feel a charge is appropriate).

You have fallen in to the old rape denier trap.

Apart from the fact that he has been interviewed twice. Once in Stockholm and once in London.

[Savage Henry]

Anyone want to read an extremely moving homage to Julian Assange in poetical form?  Sputnik News has you covered.

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201904141074116730-julian-assange-poem/

They dragged him from the Embassy, the plainclothes men from the Met,

We talk of Britain's 'independence' from Europe, but what about from the rest?

The captive looked like Ben Gunn, old, bearded and grey,

Sneered at and laughed at by those in the pay,

Those who support Empire told us 'Julian's a cad',

But where is the proof of him doing anything bad?

Accusations are levelled but charges not brought,

Fair-minded people see that extradition must be fought,

Britain tells Sweden: 'Don't you dare get cold feet!'

Assange is a 'traitor' and must be beat!,

But a 'traitor' to whom?  is what we all must ask.

Exposing the crimes of illegal war,

Cannot be illegal, that's for sure,

Julian's great crime was to pull back the curtain,

That we were led by liars and knaves, Wikileaks proved for certain,

Now it's time for the elite's revenge,

That revenge will be awful, but only if we allow it,

So don't be cowed by unsubstantiated charges,

Instead, put on your hat and go out for marches.

By exposing wrongdoing, Assange did us all a favour,

So his persecution for publishing the truth is something we cannot savour,

The wars we paid for, did not protect us,

On the contrary, they actually betrayed us,

They made us less safe and brought terrorism home,

It's those who launched them who should be on trial,

Not Julian, the man who showed us the file,

Until that  happens, everything else is a joke,

A confidence trick like a pig in a poke,

Julian is not a journalist, the stenographers decree,

The very same experts who said Iraq had WMD,

One million died because of that obscene, unlawful endeavour,

How many has Julian killed, and I'm not trying to be clever,

No one is saying that the man is a saint,

No man is, in fact, the notion is rather quaint, 

And if he was a sexual offender, then, of course, one would utterly condemn,

But look at the CPS emails to Sweden and consider the gen,

Let's be honest: If Julian was a Russian  who'd been treated like this,

There'd be moral indignation and calls for air strikes by those now taking the piss,

Laughing at the predicament of a man on the rocks,

His mental health no concern to these absolute cocks,

As for Moreno, he's really no Lenin,

And  Jeremy Hunt rhymes with '….', but I won't put my pen in,

Theresa May said that what's happened proves no one is above the law,

But until Bush, Blair and the rest are at the Hague, that really sticks in the craw,

International justice is a charade if the guilty always go free,

And the innocent are captured and the propagandists full of glee,

Hence what happens to  Assange is of tremendous import,

If he goes the way of Tobermory, Saki's cat who revealed all,

What does it say about us, and our failure to make the right call?

So say a prayer for Julian tonight and wish the lad well,

This one is for all of us, to help us break the spell.

[welshbairn]

The man's a fucking genius. Trying to flog a plane with a reputation for being a bit crashy? Call it something else, no one will notice. 

 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1117736685721223168

[renton]

14 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The man's a fucking genius. Trying to flog a plane with a reputation for being a bit crashy? Call it something else, no one will notice. 

 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1117736685721223168

Wonder what additional great features he had in mind, super size cup holders maybe? 

[DA Baracus]

1 minute ago, renton said:

Wonder what additional great features he had in mind, super size cup holders maybe? 

Not crashing?

[renton]

Just now, DA Baracus said:

Not crashing?

Charitably I assumed he covered that in the preceding sentence. 

[Bairnardo]

Charitably I assumed he covered that in the preceding sentence. 

Youd like to think fixing it was a given, therefore Trumos suggestion is to make the plane better in a vague and unspecified way, then call it soemthing different.

I feel less intelligent reading his tweets etc and knowing people voted for him. It makes me think I must be missing something

[RiG]

I know it's been posted on the thread about the Notre Dame fire but worth recording it here for posterity.