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4 hours ago, dorlomin said:

On demographics.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/326995-census-more-americans-have-college-degrees-than-ever-before

The number o f US  people with collage degrees is steadily increasing and as these groups move through the demography getting older this increases the net % of those will collage degrees. Having a collage degree is now a strong indicator of voting liberal. 

 

 

 

Since 2013 non Hispanic white children have been the minority of births. 

More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014; Family Reunification Top Reason for Return

 

 

 

 

 

 

The long term decline of the US was a white, rural country with only high school attainment. 

 

The demographics is destiny stuff is lazy thinking which amounts to the idea Dems can keep on being corporate shills and eventually everything will work out ok. It doesn't take into account changes in voting behaviour amongst white voters  who have been abandoning the Dems in increasing numbers. There is every possibility that the white population will become as polarised to one party as the black population but three times as big, more efficiently distributed and with greater participation. Clinton lost because she only got 37% of white voters compared to Obama getting 43% then 39%. If that figure drops to 35% then the Dems won't win in 2020. These figures also don't account for lots of Hispanics being subsumed into the white population as happened with Italians and Slavs.

The long term decline of the USA has been due to the the decreased power of organised labour and the weakening of the working class at the expense of financialised capital. It was high school educated people who supplied the votes and the impetus for the New Deal and the Keynesian policies that produced 40 years of relative prosperity. It may be the case that university education may lead to voting liberal but that also may have the effect of keeping the Dems to the right economically.

If the Dems continue to hope that racial demographics will hand them power the best that they can hope for is retaining the political status quo. If they want to genuinely improve the lives of the poorest Americans they will need to build a broad class based alliance.

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Third world levels of gerrymandering and voter suppression in the States. 
Farcical stuff in some places.


Gerrymandering is a red herring. It happens naturally anyway. It’s an excuse for poor campaigning.

Something clearly is afoot in Georgia, though.


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4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

The UN should be sending in Iranian observers in 2020.

The religious "Guardian Council" of Iran selects who is permitted to run for elections. In essence they ensure it is only males from their version of sufficiently orthodox Shia Islam and supportive of the growing power of the Revolutionary Guard. They also have very strict control of the media. 

 

Only imbeciles try to equate that to voter suppression in the US. At this point you shout "jokes". 

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2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

Gerrymandering is a red herring. It happens naturally anyway. 

 

Gerrymandering tends to happen in states where one party dominates the legislative. Some states have versions of fair representation acts for their local and Congress seats. Though in the big picture the trend has been for the Republicans to gain a greater percent of seats in the House than their vote share suggesting they generally benefit from gerrymandering. 

 

Voter suppression in a number of states is clearly a long running and major issue. It normally has to have a prima facie justification like the Florida example cited up thread.  It has been enough to possibly matter in tight presidential elections like 2000 and 2016. But it is as old as democracy. 

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8 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 


Gerrymandering is a red herring. It happens naturally anyway. It’s an excuse for poor campaigning.


 

The entire point of gerrymandering is it doesn't happen naturally.

It's easy to draw maps that can't be overcome by any level of campaigning.

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11 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

The religious "Guardian Council" of Iran selects who is permitted to run for elections. In essence they ensure it is only males from their version of sufficiently orthodox Shia Islam and supportive of the growing power of the Revolutionary Guard. They also have very strict control of the media. 

 

Only imbeciles try to equate that to voter suppression in the US. At this point you shout "jokes". 

Only an imbecile would read my post as being anything other than facetious.

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The religious "Guardian Council" of Iran selects who is permitted to run for elections. In essence they ensure it is only males from their version of sufficiently orthodox Shia Islam and supportive of the growing power of the Revolutionary Guard. They also have very strict control of the media. 
 
Only imbeciles try to equate that to voter suppression in the US. At this point you shout "jokes". 


It’s not possible to be this boring. Are you an algorithm?
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15 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Does anyone know if there Republican Senators who may lose out to the Democrats in 2020?

There are twice as many Republican held seats up for grabs than Democratic, which gives the Dems the advantage. The reverse was true last night which was why they weren't expected to win. According to Wiki:

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Potentially competitive Republican-held seats up for election in 2020 include Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Maine, Kentucky, Montana, Texas and North Carolina. 

 

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Watching the press conference rn and given Trump acts like a cruel 70s stereotype of gay people, is the depiction of him as an alpha male a joke?
I'm reading about it on Twitter (BBC James Cook worth a follow) and he seems to be having an almighty heads gone.
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14 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Watching the press conference rn and given Trump acts like a cruel 70s stereotype of gay people, is the depiction of him as an alpha male a joke?

SHUT THAT DOOR! (maybe before your time)

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