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Psychopaths lack empathy

It's pretty much their defining characteristic

[Crùbag]

17 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

This article is comical. Isn't the Guardian one of the most famous newspapers in world history? How did they publish this?

1. It claims to be about the white working class, but then only gives general statistics. Half the country can't read or write fluently? Well, I'd like to see what that's based on. Then I'm gonna need to see it broken down by class and race if it's relevant to the white working class.

2. 1/3rd of working Americans earn less than $9 / hr. Again, how many of those are white vs. immigrants or the children of immigrants? How many of those are kids or young people who still live with their parents? How many are 2nd part time jobs? How many are jobs done by the wife while her husband brings home a higher wage? If you had shown up at my house when I was a senior in high school and my sisters were freshmen you'd have found 3 people working part time for less than that, and my two parents working for more. If you show up at my house when I'm in middle school you'd have found my mom working part time for less than that, my sisters and me splitting a paper route for less than that, and my dad working for more. It's a laughably irrelevant statistic on its own.

3. Public school funding: Best I could find for per pupil spending on public education in West Virginia (proxy for white working class schools) was $11,132 in 2013. This is from the Washington Post. That's more than the United Kingdom and most first world countries. So, how much are we supposed to spend to make it so that our white working class properly understands their economic interests as explained to them by European Champaign socialists and this one redneck socialist that the Guardian found in Virginia?

Try reading the book, knuckleheid.

As to children of immigrants - like a certain D Trump? As to immigrants - don't they kind of play a major part in recent American history? Unless of course you're referring to Native Americans though I'd wager their income is possibly even lower.

[Granny Danger]

30 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Psychopaths lack empathy

Yeah I was tempted to make that comparison but don't want to get sued by other psychopaths.

[Crùbag]

Regressive Liberal v. non-immigrant American.

 

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

8 hours ago, pandarilla said:

 

One of my favourite posts of all time!

Cross class national solidarity.

 

Yes. Democracy works best when you don't have ethnic divisions. When they exist and they can't be bridged because the average differences in the desired society are too great than ethnic solidarity across classes is the best solution. It works in the US South because rich and working class whites realized that their desired society is much, much, much closer than the average society sought by black Americans. It seems to me from afar that the same is probably true in Western Europe when compared to the Muslim minority.

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

Wish me luck guys. I'm leaving for the DC swamp to attend a football game. Hope I avoid all the dangerous critters. 

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

56 minutes ago, Crùbag said:

Try reading the book, knuckleheid.

As to children of immigrants - like a certain D Trump? As to immigrants - don't they kind of play a major part in recent American history? Unless of course you're referring to Native Americans though I'd wager their income is possibly even lower.

I've never said the children of immigrants can't ever assimilate. Of course it's easier when those parents come from similar societies. It's different on average if one of your parents comes from Britain vs both of your parents not speaking English and settling you in a neighborhood full of your own ethnicity that doesn't speak English.

[pandarilla]

Yes. Democracy works best when you don't have ethnic divisions. When they exist and they can't be bridged because the average differences in the desired society are too great than ethnic solidarity across classes is the best solution. It works in the US South because rich and working class whites realized that their desired society is much, much, much closer than the average society sought by black Americans. It seems to me from afar that the same is probably true in Western Europe when compared to the Muslim minority.

Democracy only works in the American south if you're white.

Superiority weeps through your posts like a diseased bed sore.

Enjoy your ball game.

[Crùbag]

1 hour ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

I've never said the children of immigrants can't ever assimilate. Of course it's easier when those parents come from similar societies. It's different on average if one of your parents comes from Britain vs both of your parents not speaking English and settling you in a neighborhood full of your own ethnicity that doesn't speak English.

Trump's mother's first language was Gaelic. She probably had little or no English prior to leaving Lewis. His dad's was German.

Proof of the success of multiculturalism and 'assimilation' is all around us. Our Roman alpabhet - my family language of Gaelic was originally written in Ogham - our Arabic numerals, our placenames, languages, food... If you find it difficult to assimilate with Native Americans or even with other immigrants be they African or English, that's your problem.

Get over it.

[MrSpikey]

19 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

...not ashamed that society and government are going to operate on the basis of the culture of the majority group. 

It might help clarify your perspective if you could define what you view as "the majority group" and the essential characteristics of the singular culture you believe they share that society and government should operate around.

It's obviously something you're "not ashamed" about, after all, so please spell it out for us.

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

14 hours ago, Crùbag said:

Trump's mother's first language was Gaelic. She probably had little or no English prior to leaving Lewis. His dad's was German.

Proof of the success of multiculturalism and 'assimilation' is all around us. Our Roman alpabhet - my family language of Gaelic was originally written in Ogham - our Arabic numerals, our placenames, languages, food... If you find it difficult to assimilate with Native Americans or even with other immigrants be they African or English, that's your problem.

Get over it.

 

 Based on Wiki it says Trump's mother learned English in school. I doubt she ever spoke Gaelic more than a handful of times after moving to the US. She certainly didn't settle in a Gaelic speaking ghetto where behavior differed radically from the rest of the US. Trump's dad was born in the US. He actively tried to hide his German heritage to appear more "American." 

Multiculturalism and assimilation are two different things.

The failures of different groups with different cultures to be able to share the same space is all over the world, and of course in the US. We see it in our history with the Indians, and we see it in the high degree of segregation between blacks and whites currently. We see it in white flight from high immigrant areas.

And no, I'm not required to get over it. I'm a citizen and I get a say in what type of country I want to live in. 

16 hours ago, pandarilla said:

 

Democracy only works in the American south if you're white.

Superiority weeps through your posts like a diseased bed sore.

Enjoy your ball game.

 

What's funny is that I know exactly how you would behave if you had to move to America.  It wouldn't be one bit different than I act when it comes to race. But somehow you'd use some type of neo-Victorian type logic to claim the moral high ground all based on avoiding discussion of a taboo topic. 

 

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/juggalos-nazis-march-washington-dc/

[EdgarusQPFC]

On 8/29/2017 at 10:57, Jmothecat2 said:

 

I'm certainly not in favour of a lot of antifa's beliefs or actions, far from it, but if you really can't see the difference between them and armed Nazis then I'm not sure I can help you.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

"US security officials have classified the left-wing group Antifa as "domestic terrorists", confidential documents have revealed."

[Granny Danger]

Donald Trump 'lashed out' at new chief of staff John Kelly amid rising tension in White House

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/president-donald-trump-lashes-out-chief-of-staff-john-kelly-marine-corps-general-white-house-a7927181.html

Sources told the New York Times that Mr Kelly, 67, reacted to the outburst calmly, but said he later told colleagues he had never been spoken to in such a way during 35 years of military service and would not put up with similar treatment again.

. Brilliant stuff, hopefully he's the next one to go.

[Todders]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

"US security officials have classified the left-wing group Antifa as "domestic terrorists", confidential documents have revealed."

There's no such group so what they're essentially saying is that its now illegal to protest against fascist ideaology.

God bless the Trump Reich.

[EdgarusQPFC]

28 minutes ago, Todders said:

 

There's no such group so what they're essentially saying is that its now illegal to protest against fascist ideaology.

God bless the Trump Reich.

 

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[Granny Danger]

Trump ends Daca scheme, congress has 6 months to find alternative.  Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people who know only the US as home face uncertainty.

The xenophobs and racists will be loving this.

 

[Savage Henry]

Trump ends Daca scheme, congress has 6 months to find alternative.  Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people who know only the US as home face uncertainty.
The xenophobs and racists will be loving this.
 

Obama has issued an extremely eloquent rebuttal. The dignity of that man compared with the Wotsit president is incredible.

This is absolutely fucking heinous. I hope our Trumper friend doesn't try and justify this unmitigated racism.

[RiG]

13 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

Obama has issued an extremely eloquent rebuttal. The dignity of that man compared with the Wotsit president is incredible.

This is absolutely fucking heinous. I hope our Trumper friend doesn't try and justify this unmitigated racism.

 

His modus operandi appears to literally be "Did the black guy before me enact this? Well I want to repeal it."

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

11 hours ago, EdgarusQPFC said:

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I'm guessing he's saying that a decentralized / unorganized group can't be a gang. 

I think what this classification means is that individuals found to be associated based on previous statements / tattoos / etc can be treated differently in court when it comes to parole hearings or sentencing. It's reasonable to consider gang affiliation when deciding exactly how to treat people who have committed crimes and are before the court.

33 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

 

Obama has issued an extremely eloquent rebuttal. The dignity of that man compared with the Wotsit president is incredible.

This is absolutely fucking heinous. I hope our Trumper friend doesn't try and justify this unmitigated racism.

 

1. If you care about the rule of law, then it has to go. It was on it's way to be thrown out by the courts as unconstitutional anyways. Our constitutional structure can't allow the President to legislate based on prosecutorial discretion to this level in an area that Congress has never delegated that power. 

2. I've always said I'm ok with giving the Dreamers some type of legal status in exchange for the wall and an end to low skilled immigration from 3rd world countries. No citizenship so that they can't vote and can still be deported if they commit crimes. No welfare beyond eventual old age benefits either. I'd also consider cash incentives based on some formula of the eventual costs to taxpayers of their old age and kids for those who want to relocate to their nation of citizenship. Plenty of them would have great opportunities waiting for them as fluent English speakers and an American education.

3. I've always said I think it's possible for Hispanics and non-Muslim Asians to assimilate fully to America. At least as well as the Italians or Poles did before. I'm not 100% sure on that, but I suspect it's the case. I just don't think it's possible without a halt to new immigration and cultural / government policies which promote a so-called "flight to white" rather than policies which promote multiculturalism.

4. Trump is brilliant to give the swamp critters 6 months to come up with a plan. He just made immigration the main issue right as Republican primaries for the midterm elections come up.

Edited September 5, 2017 by TheProgressiveLiberal