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21 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Any quotes for that? "Vanessa Beeley 9/11" doesn't turn up anything. 

This article comes up for Charlie Hedbo https://thewallwillfall.org/2015/09/14/charlie-hebdo-incitement-to-war/

It doesn't say that the Charlie Hedbo attack was staged. It says that Charlie Hedbo is funded to stir up racial hate (like the Daily Mail, Fox News and the Spectator).

 

Only from the MSM so far, will try harder.

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Vanessa Beeley is a British blogger who has fuelled a bunch of conspiracy theories suggesting 9/11 was an inside job and the Charlie Hebdo attacks were staged.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/a-group-of-online-activists-are-claiming-syrias-chemical-attacks-were-staged/news-story/34546a60dbde0b847bc785010f4b4672

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“These leaked documents offer cast-iron proof that the Russian government is doing what it can to elevate Vanessa Beeley as a key player in its propaganda campaign,” said James Sadri, executive director of the Syria Campaign. “A blogger for a 9/11 truther website who only visited Syria for the first time last year should not be taken seriously as an impartial expert on the conflict.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories

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55 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Any quotes for that? "Vanessa Beeley 9/11" doesn't turn up anything. 

This article comes up for Charlie Hedbo https://thewallwillfall.org/2015/09/14/charlie-hebdo-incitement-to-war/

It doesn't say that the Charlie Hedbo attack was staged. It says that Charlie Hedbo is funded to stir up racial hate (like the Daily Mail, Fox News and the Spectator).

She is listed as Associate Editor of a conspiracist website 21st Century Wire that has pushed both 9/11 false flag and Sandy Hook hoax conspiracy theories.

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Associate Editor: 

https://21stcenturywire.com/about/#21WIRETEAM

9/11: https://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/10/out-in-the-open-911-15-years-of-a-transparent-lie/

Sandy Hook:

https://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/21/sandy-hook-game-changer-solid-new-evidence-of-a-cover-up-presented/

Regarding her own writings she authored this article that hints and slyly suggests but doesn't commit to the idea that the Nice attack was a false flag:

https://21stcenturywire.com/2016/07/15/nice-attacks-trigger-for-civil-war-in-france-and-military-escalation-in-syria/

Here is an excerpt from the article so you can see her mindset:

Attempts to reconcile with Russia and lift the sanctions have been blocked by Hollande and Valls, who are puppets of the Jewish Lobby. The Zionists want to continue the war on Syria, Iran and Russia. The Zionists have full control over US/NATO policy. Therefore, the ‘war on terror’, which was created as a pretext to further Zionist geopolitical interests, must be continued.

Also notice this tweet where she puts Islamist in quotation marks potentially suggesting false flag? That is about Hebdo:

 

This is all primary source material.

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1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Why would the alternative media report on SAA torture? (i) It's already reported by MSM (ii) It simply puts Syria in a club with every other country which has faced an existential threat.

Beeley does not only write for the "alternative media" but has been featured frequently on RT and Sputnik which can't be considered independent in the slightest.

That's also not how journalism is supposed to be. You don't go to a country, supposedly to find the truth, then totally ignore anything that goes against your narrative. 

The "MSM" has reported on Assad's use of torture yes. However there are huge numbers of people tortured who were will never hear from or have their story told. A real journalist would tell that story of what they observed. 

Syria is already a country that faces an "existential threat" as they've had millions displaced, tens of thousands of civilian deaths and whole cities reduced to rubble. 

What you actually mean is that if more of the world knew about Assad's crimes that the government would be under existential threat also rather than being the threat to the Syrian people itself.

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Syria is the same as Ukraine. There did not need to be a war. Millions of people have suffered because of this and our media continually distrorts  how the war began and how it has managed to last longer than World War 2. 

There did not need to be a war no. When Syrians were peacefully protesting in 2011 for more freedom and against corruption, the Assad regime and his secret police didn't need to start shooting protestors or arresting them in the middle of the night to be tortured.

Have a look at some interviews with FSA fighters. So many of them were men in the Syrian army who defected in 2011-2013 to the FSA after being commanded to shoot at their own people while they peacefully protested for a better life.

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2 hours ago, pandarilla said:

The Ukraine coup was not just a nice, polite 'democratic' uprising.

There are some nasty forces at work over there.

Putin is a lying b*****d, and being suspicious of the actions of those in charge of Ukraine does not mean you have to be a russia-loving muppet.

Let me put it this way Panda:

Of the former Warsaw Treaty nations who did better after the Cold War? Was it countries like Estonia who looked Westward and entered the EU and NATO or countries such as Belarus and Ukraine who remained more under Russian influence?

By almost every relevant measure, say in terms of corruption, human rights and especially economically, it is obviously and clearly the countries who looked Westward!

Now we will have to see what happens with Ukraine as they have had huge economic issues however currently their economy is growing faster than Russia's.

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Whilst the Ukraine is fascinating, here's the Democrats standing firm and showing they really, really, really oppose Trump. Really.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/senate-democrats-trump-federal-judges_us_5b86c0eee4b0cf7b00313783?kn
That is truly embarrassing.

The democrats make the British parliamentary labour party look like honourable, principled statesmen.

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13 hours ago, dorlomin said:

Trump shitfested his way to a lucky election result that is likely to put a huge hole in the Republicans for years to come. They are highly likely to lose Congress in a couple of months and have wasted an entire election cycle alienating non white voters that they need to start turning Republican. America is undergoing a demographic transition that the 2016 election was something of a dummy spit against, those demographic numbers are not suddenly going to reverse. 

You can't shitfest an election champ.  He won on a landslide coming from absolutely nowhere, with no policies whatsoever basically.   Some very very clever people using key words and phrases to manipulate people and push their emotional buttons.  That's why he kept repeating phrases, he was taught how to do this and given basically a script for each public appearance.

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2 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

You can't shitfest an election champ.  He won on a landslide coming from absolutely nowhere, with no policies whatsoever basically.   Some very very clever people using key words and phrases to manipulate people and push their emotional buttons.  That's why he kept repeating phrases, he was taught how to do this and given basically a script for each public appearance.

He lost the popular vote and his electoral college vote was one of the lowest winning margins in history. 46th of 58. He most certainly did not win by a landslide.

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1 minute ago, Peppino Impastato said:

He won an absolute landslide champ, wasn't even close.

Except he got fewer votes, and his electoral college margin was one of the lowest in history.

The Republican Party, whose ticket he headed, lost seats in both the House and the Senate.

You could say it was a shock win, an improbable win, an unthinkable win and you'd be right.

But in no sense was it a landslide. Champ.

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Except he got fewer votes, and his electoral college margin was one of the lowest in history. The Republican Party, whose ticket he headed, lost seats in both the House and the Senate.

You could say it was a shock win, an improbable win, an unthinkable win and you'd be right.

But in no sense was it a landslide. Champ.

 

 

Nixon over McGovern (for shame) was a landslide. Obama over McCain was a landslide. Trump was unexpected, masterminded, and certainly no fluke (and seemingly not on the level), but hardly a landslide.

 

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13 hours ago, Jambo: First Blood said:

 

This is all primary source material.

Cynical playing to the crank market. It's certainly not a good look.

However I still think all the alternative media sources which have provided perspective on Syria have done a valuable job countering MSM war mongering and staggering amounts of propaganda. Post Iraq the public won't be drawn into a war in the convential way so lies are crafted about African mercanaries being given viagra and 7 year old bloggers end up with publicity agents.

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There did not need to be a war no. When Syrians were peacefully protesting in 2011 for more freedom and against corruption, the Assad regime and his secret police didn't need to start shooting protestors or arresting them in the middle of the night to be tortured.
Have a look at some interviews with FSA fighters. So many of them were men in the Syrian army who defected in 2011-2013 to the FSA after being commanded to shoot at their own people while they peacefully protested for a better life.
Where did all these moderate secularist democrats we heard so much about back in 2012 disappear to and why were they replaced so quickly on the battlefield by the likes of Al-Nusra and ISIS? The war in Syria has a lot more to do with a rerun of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood uprising against Hafez Al-Assad and the secular one party state socialism of the Baath party back in the 1980s than a struggle for liberal democracy. As such, both sides are not particularly palatable.
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