The Official Former President Trump thread

[Florentine_Pogen]

3 hours ago, Aladdin said:

Heartily looking forward to Trump tearing the Republicans apart over the next 2 years.

 

I'm seriously considering putting The Orange Sphincter into my Deadpool '23 squad.

I have this fantasy that he's going to have a massive coronary on his own golf course at Mar-A-Lago.

 

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, Florentine_Pogen said:

I'm seriously considering putting The Orange Sphincter into my Deadpool '23 squad.

I have this fantasy that he's going to have a massive coronary on his own golf course at Mar-A-Lago.

 

^^^ Florentine DeSanctimonious.

[welshbairn]

All hail Trump!

Trump’s Drag on Republicans Quantified: A Five-Point Penalty

By Nate Cohn Chief political analyst

Donald J. Trump’s announcement on Tuesday that he would run for president in 2024 came at an especially awkward time for Republicans. They were supposed to dominate the midterm elections — but fell well short.

Mr. Trump appears to be a significant reason for that showing, based on an analysis of the results by House district.

His preferred candidates underperformed last week, helping Democrats hold the Senate and helping keep the race for House control close. (Republicans, who had been heavy favorites, are expected to prevail narrowly as mail ballots continue to be counted in California.)

Overall, his preferred primary candidates underperformed other G.O.P. candidates by about five percentage points.

The New York Times

A penalty of five points is a big number in today’s polarized era. Five of the last six presidential elections have been decided by a margin less than that. As findings like these are revealed, they may add to the consternation of some Republicans who in recent days have blamed Mr. Trump for the party’s poor performance.

The analysis is based on an unusual measure: The Cook Political Report’s primary scoreboard. The Cook report scored each contested Republican primary as a victory for either the “traditional” wing of the Republican Party or for the “MAGA” wing of the party.

With the benefit of the final results, we can gauge how well the MAGA candidates fared compared with other Republicans. The five-point penalty measure controls for how the district voted in 2020 and whether the district was an open seat or held by a Democratic or Republican incumbent.

Here’s another way to think about it: Non-MAGA Republicans in 2022 ran six points better than Mr. Trump did in 2020; the MAGA Republicans barely fared better than him at all.

And many prominent MAGA Republicans ran even further behind recent Republican benchmarks. Lauren Boebert ran eight points behind Mr. Trump’s performance — she’s expected to hold her seat in Colorado’s Third District, but the race has still not been called — and therefore something like 14 points behind the typical Republican. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who held her House seat, ran six points behind.

The Republican candidates who unseated the incumbents who had voted to impeach President Trump — in districts like Washington’s Third and Michigan’s Third — also seemed to pay a steep price.

Mr. Trump and Blake Masters last month in Mesa, Ariz. Mr. Masters lost his Senate race to the Arizona Democratic incumbent, Mark Kelly. Rebecca Noble for The New York Times

The analysis includes only House races, but a five-point MAGA penalty looks about right in the Senate as well. On paper, Republican Senate candidates ought to have been fairly competitive in Arizona and Pennsylvania. What did Blake Masters and Dr. Mehmet Oz lose by instead? Four to five points.

In Georgia, the Republican Senate candidate Herschel Walker underperformed Gov. Brian Kemp by eight points. Not all eight of those points can necessarily be attributed to the MAGA penalty. Mr. Kemp was an incumbent; Mr. Walker was a challenger. Still, it’s a weak performance by a candidate endorsed by Mr. Trump.

With the results of Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania all within the margin of one MAGA penalty, it’s entirely plausible that Mr. Trump’s candidates cost the Republicans control of the Senate.

Correction: The last sentence of the Monday edition of this newsletter reversed the projected outcome of the race for House control. Republicans were projected to win, 219-216, not Democrats.

[Granny Danger]

20 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

All hail Trump!

Trump’s Drag on Republicans Quantified: A Five-Point Penalty

By Nate Cohn Chief political analyst

Donald J. Trump’s announcement on Tuesday that he would run for president in 2024 came at an especially awkward time for Republicans. They were supposed to dominate the midterm elections — but fell well short.

Mr. Trump appears to be a significant reason for that showing, based on an analysis of the results by House district.

His preferred candidates underperformed last week, helping Democrats hold the Senate and helping keep the race for House control close. (Republicans, who had been heavy favorites, are expected to prevail narrowly as mail ballots continue to be counted in California.)

Overall, his preferred primary candidates underperformed other G.O.P. candidates by about five percentage points.

The New York Times

A penalty of five points is a big number in today’s polarized era. Five of the last six presidential elections have been decided by a margin less than that. As findings like these are revealed, they may add to the consternation of some Republicans who in recent days have blamed Mr. Trump for the party’s poor performance.

The analysis is based on an unusual measure: The Cook Political Report’s primary scoreboard. The Cook report scored each contested Republican primary as a victory for either the “traditional” wing of the Republican Party or for the “MAGA” wing of the party.

With the benefit of the final results, we can gauge how well the MAGA candidates fared compared with other Republicans. The five-point penalty measure controls for how the district voted in 2020 and whether the district was an open seat or held by a Democratic or Republican incumbent.

Here’s another way to think about it: Non-MAGA Republicans in 2022 ran six points better than Mr. Trump did in 2020; the MAGA Republicans barely fared better than him at all.

And many prominent MAGA Republicans ran even further behind recent Republican benchmarks. Lauren Boebert ran eight points behind Mr. Trump’s performance — she’s expected to hold her seat in Colorado’s Third District, but the race has still not been called — and therefore something like 14 points behind the typical Republican. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who held her House seat, ran six points behind.

The Republican candidates who unseated the incumbents who had voted to impeach President Trump — in districts like Washington’s Third and Michigan’s Third — also seemed to pay a steep price.

Mr. Trump and Blake Masters last month in Mesa, Ariz. Mr. Masters lost his Senate race to the Arizona Democratic incumbent, Mark Kelly. Rebecca Noble for The New York Times

The analysis includes only House races, but a five-point MAGA penalty looks about right in the Senate as well. On paper, Republican Senate candidates ought to have been fairly competitive in Arizona and Pennsylvania. What did Blake Masters and Dr. Mehmet Oz lose by instead? Four to five points.

In Georgia, the Republican Senate candidate Herschel Walker underperformed Gov. Brian Kemp by eight points. Not all eight of those points can necessarily be attributed to the MAGA penalty. Mr. Kemp was an incumbent; Mr. Walker was a challenger. Still, it’s a weak performance by a candidate endorsed by Mr. Trump.

With the results of Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania all within the margin of one MAGA penalty, it’s entirely plausible that Mr. Trump’s candidates cost the Republicans control of the Senate.

Correction: The last sentence of the Monday edition of this newsletter reversed the projected outcome of the race for House control. Republicans were projected to win, 219-216, not Democrats.

The very definition of FAKE NEWS!

[BFTD]

5 hours ago, Richey Edwards said:

Who will he blame when he loses this time?

Hitler blamed the German people, I believe.

[Richey Edwards]

1 hour ago, BFTD said:

Hitler blamed the German people, I believe.

Trump wishes he was Hitler.

[BFTD]

14 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

Trump wishes he was Hitler.

Probably not, actually. Hitler was a soldier in active combat, and wanted to be a creative. The Donald looks down on these people as idiots to be exploited.

Donald Trump is genuinely a worse human being than Hitler. He'd be happy to do all the inhuman shit that the Reichschancellor got up to, but he's too much of an entitled, idle coward.

[steelmen]

As long as it lines Trump's pockets... it is fair game.

[Suspect Device]

 

 

[coprolite]

2 hours ago, Suspect Device said:

 

 

When he says "vox dei", he's talking about himself isn't he? 

[TONTROOPER]

[Granny Danger]

Ooops!

“Supreme Court clears way for House to get Trump’s taxes”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/politics/supreme-court-clears-way-for-house-to-get-trumps-taxes/index.html

[10menwent2mow]

All it's really going to tell us is that Trump hasn't ever paid any taxes, he's constantly lied about it, used creative accounting and that he'll drag this through the courts for years. It's not like he will be convicted of anything. 

[BFTD]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Ooops!

“Supreme Court clears way for House to get Trump’s taxes”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/politics/supreme-court-clears-way-for-house-to-get-trumps-taxes/index.html

Remember when he wanted to release his tax records, only he was being audited by the IRS so that wasn't possible, even though it was? Incredible that turned out to be a huge lie, and he's fought tooth and nail to keep them hidden.

As 10menwent2mow says, he'll just say that not paying any tax and breaking the law to do so makes him a very stable genius, and everyone in the Republican party will agree.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

10 hours ago, BFTD said:

Remember when he wanted to release his tax records, only he was being audited by the IRS so that wasn't possible, even though it was? Incredible that turned out to be a huge lie, and he's fought tooth and nail to keep them hidden.

As 10menwent2mow says, he'll just say that not paying any tax and breaking the law to do so makes him a very stable genius, and everyone in the Republican party will agree.

Hilary Clinton accused of him of not paying taxes during one of their debates and he literally responded with "That makes me SMART" in front of an audience of millions. 

[BFTD]

21 minutes ago, Benjamin_Nevis said:

Hilary Clinton accused of him of not paying taxes during one of their debates and he literally responded with "That makes me SMART" in front of an audience of millions. 

He got applause for it too IIRC.

You have to wonder what some folk think taxation is actually for.

[Granny Danger]

3 hours ago, BFTD said:

He got applause for it too IIRC.

You have to wonder what some folk think taxation is actually for.

From a partisan audience.  Presidential elections are determined by a small group who are not fanatical Republicans or Dems; I don’t see this group being enamoured by a rich guy who doesn’t pay his way.

[BFTD]

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

From a partisan audience.  Presidential elections are determined by a small group who are not fanatical Republicans or Dems; I don’t see this group being enamoured by a rich guy who doesn’t pay his way.

That was before he was elected, wasn't it? The tradition was that presidential candidates made their returns public when they were running.

Seems like tax dodging goes over with Republicans about as well as sexual assault and perving on underage girls while they're changing.

[Granny Danger]

Just now, BFTD said:

That was before he was elected, wasn't it? The tradition was that presidential candidates made their returns public when they were running.

Seems like tax dodging goes over with Republicans about as well as sexual assault and perving on underage girls while they're changing.

Yeah it was before he was elected.  People thought he was a maverick, they now know he’s a nut job, and a tax dodging one at that.  I cannot see many in the middle who voted for him last time around doing so this time; any tax issues will just exacerbate that.

[BFTD]

10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Yeah it was before he was elected.  People thought he was a maverick, they now know he’s a nut job, and a tax dodging one at that.  I cannot see many in the middle who voted for him last time around doing so this time; any tax issues will just exacerbate that.

I guess we'll see in 2024.

He still commands worrying levels of support and, when he's unveiled as the tax dodger everyone knows he is, the Republicans will likely just choose to believe he's a Robin Hood figure, keeping money away from welfare queens.