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17 minutes ago, stanley said:

Is it 100% confirmed that Edusport will be promoted (assuming LTHV don't get a licence)?  It will be the first time with promotion/relegation between the leagues so it will be interesting to see what happens here.

Lothian were confident of getting a license when they pumped us at Spartans a few weeks ago.... 

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13 hours ago, newcastle broon said:

Lothian were confident of getting a license when they pumped us at Spartans a few weeks ago.... 

Now that the season is over, surely its too late for LTHV to obtain an SFA Licence to enter into a promotion play-off with Edusport ? Wasn't there a(March ?) cut off date for Licence consideration by the SFA ?

 

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2 hours ago, Robert James said:

Now that the season is over, surely its too late for LTHV to obtain an SFA Licence to enter into a promotion play-off with Edusport ? Wasn't there a(March ?) cut off date for Licence consideration by the SFA ?

 

I don't know rules exactly but I was told lthv expect to play lowland league assuming they win league and qualify obviously. 

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The licensing meeting was supposed to be on Thursday last week, so we'll hear the outcome of any licensing application in the not too distant future. Maybe they arranged a groundshare?

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LTHV are clearly intending works at Saughton, anyway. They received planning permission in November for a covered enclosure and 2 containers holding toilets, catering etc.:

https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/propertyDetails.do?activeTab=relatedCases&keyVal=02IMOG00DT000

Building warrant for the enclosure was applied for just over a month ago. It was granted on Friday. Building warrant for the containers was applied for on Wednesday:

https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/scottishBuildingWarrantDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=OONTWUEW0US00
https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/scottishBuildingWarrantDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=ON5SCZEW0V000

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18 hours ago, stanley said:

Is it 100% confirmed that Edusport will be promoted (assuming LTHV don't get a licence)?  It will be the first time with promotion/relegation between the leagues so it will be interesting to see what happens here.

SOSL social media seems to think so - several clubs congratulating Edusport on promotion, good luck in LL, etc. and Edusport effectively thanking SOSL for having had them.

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Edusport were pointed in the direction of the SOSL, by the SFA.   Good luck to them getting promotion to the Lowland League.   However, I don't think any teams in the SOSL will miss them.   Income from their supporters was almost non-existant. 

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A tough opponent who don't attract people to go watch them are never going to be popular.

However i don't think how many fans they have is relevant to how they should progress

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15 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

A tough opponent who don't attract people to go watch them are never going to be popular.

However i don't think how many fans they have is relevant to how they should progress

i think it was Jock Stein who said football is nothing without fans. The Edusport venture might be a good money making scheme for the people involved but I have reservations about them being in a league set up when they seem to move around the country with little attempt to attract a fan base,

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Fans are ultimately a revenue source. It's a pretty shite way of looking at it but it's true.

From any sporting perspective you want the players to be playing at their level. If Edusport have proved themselves as better than the other SoS sides they deserve promotion. We need certain off-field criteria to be met but it's pretty difficult to put down clubs for lack of fans. The criticisms on that just seem like an extension of the 'Hamilton shouldn't be in the premiership, look at their crowds' argument. I'd hate for a 'traditional ' team to be relegated for lack of crowds, therefore we must give Edusport the same benefit.

The moving about I have some sympathy on. I think licensing could have some criteria against that, something along the lines of 'any change of a clubs location of greater than 5/10 miles must be for a maximum of 2 years'

I believe the fa have some rule along those lines to prevent another m.k dons

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9 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

Fans are ultimately a revenue source. It's a pretty shite way of looking at it but it's true.

From any sporting perspective you want the players to be playing at their level. If Edusport have proved themselves as better than the other SoS sides they deserve promotion. We need certain off-field criteria to be met but it's pretty difficult to put down clubs for lack of fans. The criticisms on that just seem like an extension of the 'Hamilton shouldn't be in the premiership, look at their crowds' argument. I'd hate for a 'traditional ' team to be relegated for lack of crowds, therefore we must give Edusport the same benefit.

The moving about I have some sympathy on. I think licensing could have some criteria against that, something along the lines of 'any change of a clubs location of greater than 5/10 miles must be for a maximum of 2 years'

I believe the fa have some rule along those lines to prevent another m.k dons

I wasn't actually thinking about the fans being a revenue source when I posted, I was more thinking whats the point of having a decent side moving up the pyramid if no one watches them, in the long term it probably dosn't do the LL's reputation any good having a side without supporters (a couple of my mates were at their cup game with Colville Park and all that was supporting them was club officials and players not playing that day.)

There is  a lack of effort on building a fan base by establishing themselves instead of moving from Hamilton to Annan and their under 20s playing in Edinburgh. If they stayed in one place long term they may actually pick up a supporter base eventually, but the way its set up I doubt if it matters.

However as you mention I doubt that treasurers at LL sides will be celebrating their arrival certainly won't make much off the gate from their away support.

 

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4 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

LTHV are clearly intending works at Saughton, anyway. They received planning permission in November for a covered enclosure and 2 containers holding toilets, catering etc.:

https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/propertyDetails.do?activeTab=relatedCases&keyVal=02IMOG00DT000

Building warrant for the enclosure was applied for just over a month ago. It was granted on Friday. Building warrant for the containers was applied for on Wednesday:

https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/scottishBuildingWarrantDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=OONTWUEW0US00
https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/scottishBuildingWarrantDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=ON5SCZEW0V000

Good to hear.   They should be licensed for next season then, you'd hope.  Tynecastle can hopefully get a licence to then as they're groundsharing with them.  

Any word on where Leith will be playing next season?

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Think the facilities already need to be in place and inspected before you get the licence, so given the playoff against the SoS champions would be taking place in the next few weeks this is too late for next season.

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Yeah, I meant they should hopefully be able to become licensed during next season and then be eligible for promotion to the Lowland League at the end of the 2017/18 season.  Surely no chance for this season if building hasn't started yet but good to see that there is some progress in the work to get there.

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On 23/04/2017 at 13:46, LongTimeLurker said:

The licensing meeting was supposed to be on Thursday last week, so we'll hear the outcome of any licensing application in the not too distant future. Maybe they arranged a groundshare?

Did the Licensing Meeting take place yesterday and what was the outcome with regard to LTHV ?

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The url to watch for updates is:

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_document_libraries.cfm?page=2570

as a pdf of the current status of each club is regularly updated:

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/ClubLicensing/2017/230317CL current status.pdf

Normally there are no press releases where licensing is concerned.

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6 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

The url to watch for updates is:

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_document_libraries.cfm?page=2570

as a pdf of the current status of each club is regularly updated:

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/ClubLicensing/2017/230317CL current status.pdf

Normally there are no press releases where licensing is concerned.

Updated today with as expected no mention of LTHV - only changes are renewed licences for all Premiership sides (with Hearts now back up to Bronze rather than Entry due to the time passed since admin) and Turriff.

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According to that document, the "next" licence review for Newton Stewart is December 2016...

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They're the only SFA members who haven't got licensed. Early in season poster on SOSL sub-forum said they would be, but I've not seen or heard anything (indeed they haven't any cover and not aware of any having gone up).

It had been claimed that from this season any unlicensed members would be unable to enter the cup but they were still let in this season.

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They're the only SFA members who haven't got licensed. Early in season poster on SOSL sub-forum said they would be, but I've not seen or heard anything (indeed they haven't any cover and not aware of any having gone up).

It had been claimed that from this season any unlicensed members would be unable to enter the cup but they were still let in this season.


Newton have definitely been working towards their license... Toilet blocks have been added and, from what I've heard, plans are being drawn up for a new stand with the plans of applying for planning permission soon... Nothing official on that front, just local rumours

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