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11 minutes ago, This time Perthshirebell said:

Stuart Campbell is clearly not homophobic but is transphobic/ ignorant /dismissive.    

Thought this was common knowledge.  

Wings, when it's sticking to ripping apart the Daily Mail/ Express is an excellent read.    I'd be sad to see it fold.   

 

Can you provide a single transphobic quote from him?

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5 minutes ago, This time Perthshirebell said:

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That's not transphobic.  He is not and never has objected to anyone identifying as female, the point is identifying as female doesn't mean you actually ARE female and therefore allowed to invade female only spaces like sports, toilets, changing roos, rape crisis centres and professions.  

You are lifting a quote entirely out of context and misrepresenting it, trans women are men who identity as women, that's not the same as just being a woman, that's why the prefix 'trans' is required.

If you believe that's transphobic report it see how you get on, the last person failed and only avoided damages cause she was deemed too stupid to know her allegation was untrue.

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1 minute ago, This time Perthshirebell said:

No.  He's clearly saying it's "bollocks" to say "Trans woman are not men".   

Do you agree with him that Trans women are and will always be men?   

I couldn't give the slightest fk and am not qualified to say what somebody actually is post op. 

Like wings, I don't care what people choose to call themselves or live as.  I know identifying as female doesn't change biology though. 

I also know you have not followed this debate which has been going on for years, in which wings has such transphobic supporters as Sharon Davies and martina navratilova, and have lifted a single quote entirely out of context with which to misrepresent his views.

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Rape Crisis centres already look after trans women and have trans women working within their org.

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1 minute ago, NotThePars said:

Rape Crisis centres already look after trans women and have trans women working within their org.

Exactly, and actual women in the most vulnerable moments of their entire lives are objecting to this and complaining about it, and being labelled tranephobic for doing so.  This is exactly the sort of thing WoS is also objecting to, as it's clearly wrong.

Here is the crux of his views https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-law-that-nobody-wants/

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I bought a pile of old copies of the The Absolute Game Scottish football fanzine from the early 90s a few years back, was flicking through them when I noticed an angry, pedantic letter to the editor from a Stuart Campbell from Bath, moaning that an article in the previous edition had been insufficiently complimentary to Aberdeen for winning a relegation playoff. So it's not exactly a new thing, him being an argumentative wee weirdo (the below is from 1995). IMG_20190518_094549710.thumb.jpg.d153894c709aee7b10f948dfa3d7ecc9.jpg

 

 

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And other “actual” women don’t have a problem with it and the organisation which does all the work doesn’t have a problem with it either. If you know better than the people that work within Rape Crisis then continue shouting at them and going off, I guess.

https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/news/blog/standing-up-for---and-standing-with---services-scotland-can-be-proud-of/

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As an aside, old football fanzines are great examples of social history from that era - the other editions include letters from sitting MPs, a guy who went on to become a current MSP, a young 'Tom Cowan', names I recognised as some of my mates' dads etc. Fascinating stuff, all of it.

 

 

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Just now, NotThePars said:

And other “actual” women don’t have a problem with it and the organisation which does all the work doesn’t have a problem with it either. If you know better than the people that work within Rape Crisis then continue shouting at them and going off, I guess.

https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/news/blog/standing-up-for---and-standing-with---services-scotland-can-be-proud-of/

But many do, so if you know better what rape victims are comfortable with in the aftermath of being raped than actual rape victims do knock yourself out.  Astonishing arrogance. 

On wings timeline just today is a rape victim saying she would only be comfortable with a female conducting an intimate examination and being labelled transphobic for saying so.  People like you facilitate this.

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But many do, so if you know better what rape victims are comfortable with in the aftermath of being raped than actual rape victims do knock yourself out.  Astonishing arrogance. 

On wings timeline just today is a rape victim saying she would only be comfortable with a female conducting an intimate examination and being labelled transphobic for saying so.  People like you facilitate this.

 

I’m repeating what the actual organisation with over a decade’s experience in this area have said. I don’t really feel comfortable actively going out and weaponising a woman’s horrific experience to fuel a weird fixation on a vulnerable group’s legitimate access to public spaces already guaranteed by those who run those spaces. That’s probably par for the course from an angry little man who repeatedly returns to a website he’s been banned from but I’m sure you and Wings can point to all the work and support you’ve provided off of scaremongering on the internet.

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2 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

I’m repeating what the actual organisation with over a decade’s experience in this area have said. I don’t really feel comfortable actively going out and weaponising a woman’s horrific experience to fuel a weird fixation on a vulnerable group’s legitimate access to public spaces already guaranteed by those who run those spaces. That’s probably par for the course from an angry little man who repeatedly returns to a website he’s been banned from but I’m sure you and Wings can point to all the work and support you’ve provided off of scaremongering on the internet.

I'm repeating what actual rape victims have said and you are dismissing it from a position of ignorance.  I suggest you read wings article above to understand why organisations have been intimidated into toeing the line, when in fact separate spaces can easily be created for trans women as they now are beginning to be in prisons.

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The absolute state of this thread... Alt Nats are going to Alt Nat, I guess. The whole SNP thing about online abuse and uncivil discourse is exemplified by yet more the usual contributions.

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2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

The absolute state of this thread... Alt Nats are going to Alt Nat, I guess. The whole SNP thing about online abuse and uncivil discourse is exemplified by yet more the usual contributions.

I think you've lead a very sheltered life if you think there's been any abuse here, and it's simply naive to.think.all discourse should be what you perceive as civil.  Some people are wankers, that's just the way it is, it's not unreasonable to call a spade a spade.  You, for example.

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The absolute state of this thread... Alt Nats are going to Alt Nat, I guess. The whole SNP thing about online abuse and uncivil discourse is exemplified by yet more the usual contributions.
If a mod had the sense to bin Pep's latest alias this thread would improve about a hundred-fold. He's a fucking idiot and frankly, an utter creep.

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If a mod had the sense to bin Pep's latest alias this thread would improve about a hundred-fold. He's a fucking idiot and frankly, an utter creep.

Im not convinced given the abuse and absolute heads gone type behaviour that Pep isnt Campbell, everyone’s favourite transphobic gamer geek. Watching the aftermath of the cybernat article its clear Wings most ardent followers are particularly unable to accept even the slightest criticism of the messiah Stuart Campbell. The SNP were entirely right to call out the cybernats, as a lifelong supporter of Scottish Independence this concept that you have to agree with every other indy supporter no matter how bigoted they may be that circulates in these communities is laughable.

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2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:


Im not convinced given the abuse and absolute heads gone type behaviour that Pep isnt Campbell, everyone’s favourite transphobic gamer geek. Watching the aftermath of the cybernat article its clear Wings most ardent followers are particularly unable to accept even the slightest criticism of the messiah Stuart Campbell. The SNP were entirely right to call out the cybernats, as a lifelong supporter of Scottish Independence this concept that you have to agree with every other indy supporter no matter how bigoted they may be that circulates in these communities is laughable.

You'll need to provide evidence of 1- transphobia, and 2- that it's necessary to agree with every other indy supporter.  I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. 

What I find amazing is someone like you, it's so common, clearly have a high opinion of yourself, probably think you are a paragon of intellectual rigour, yet you literally make stuff up out of thin air to.support your views, then when asked to are incapable of backing up your statements.  That's just lying, that's all that is. 

So evidence please...

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I remember the days when Graham Linehan was funny, before he started tweeting obsessively about rare and bizarre weirdos to malign a whole category of people.

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9 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:


Im not convinced given the abuse and absolute heads gone type behaviour that Pep isnt Campbell, everyone’s favourite transphobic gamer geek. Watching the aftermath of the cybernat article its clear Wings most ardent followers are particularly unable to accept even the slightest criticism of the messiah Stuart Campbell. The SNP were entirely right to call out the cybernats, as a lifelong supporter of Scottish Independence this concept that you have to agree with every other indy supporter no matter how bigoted they may be that circulates in these communities is laughable.

I also find it bizarre, wilfully ignorant and counter productive to not just dismiss but refuse to even consider someone's professional views on an entirely separate platform because they use colourful language on Twitter that wrongly leads you to conclude (though inevitably you only even 'know' this second hand as you don't read them) that they are a bigot.

I have invited you twice to dissect and refute any one of his hundreds of articles eating back seven years, you have failed to do so.  What you can't see here is it's really you who shouldn't be taken seriously.

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You'll need to provide evidence of 1- transphobia, and 2- that it's necessary to agree with every other indy supporter.  I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. 
What I find amazing is someone like you, it's so common, clearly have a high opinion of yourself, probably think you are a paragon of intellectual rigour, yet you literally make stuff up out of thin air to.support your views, then when asked to are incapable of backing up your statements.  That's just lying, that's all that is. 
So evidence please...

People have already linked to wings transphobia tweets earlier. In my own personal interaction with Campbell he posted an abuse ridden response to a transgender child who questioned him, that to me is also transphobic.
I’ve seen quite a lot of abuse particularly on twitter from the wings disciples to the effect that if you dont support wings you’re a traitor to the cause etc. Its very clear, yet you seem to be incapable of seeing any negative in Wings over I cant be bothered to live in Scotland.
I dont hold myself in a high opinion, im actually pretty self deprecating however given the abuse i’ve had on here from you i’ve not felt the need to be on this particular thread as you’re doing a grand job.
Are you alright btw? Serious question, you seem to be really annoyed that people challenge your views or disagree with your opinions, the way you react suggests you may have serious underlying issues with anger etc, I hope you are ok.

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