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Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.


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2 hours ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

The UK PM: 

a difficult winter of the petrol crisis, shortages on supermarket shelves and soaring energy bills were symptoms of the economic path the country was on that would tackle a long-term lack of productivity, low wages and under-investment in energy and infrastructure. 

Meanwhile, a Govt. Minister:  

GREEN PORTS in Scotland will be uncompetitive if they have a mandatory requirement to pay the real living wage, the secretary of state for Scotland has said. 

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I'm 65 years old and I have never in my lifetime heard ANY Tory campaign for higher wages.  In fact it was always their philosophy to have a pool of unemployed scrapping for jobs to deptress wages, so this pish from Johnson and Co is yet another blatant lie.

The fact remains though that the only thing which will bring them to account is when the Southern English middle-class begins to feel real economic pain; at that point the Lib Dems not Labour would be the electoral beneficaries.

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7 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

have never in my lifetime heard ANY Tory campaign for higher wages.

Yup, but it just highlights the empty gestures and soundbites that will gather traction in certain quarters but, as with the Jack quote, the mask is never far from slipping. 

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3 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I'm 65 years old and I have never in my lifetime heard ANY Tory campaign for higher wages.  In fact it was always their philosophy to have a pool of unemployed scrapping for jobs to deptress wages, so this pish from Johnson and Co is yet another blatant lie.

The Tories were the main driving force behind outsourcing jobs in the public sector to 'increase competition and reduce costs'. That only resulted in low wages and crap working conditions for the employees. in the past a hospital cleaner would have been employed directly by the NHS, have a decent wage, a decent pension and all the other benefits of a decent job. Now they have minimum wage and possibly a zero hours contract.

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Back in the Nineties, the Tories were absolutely howling about any attempt to bring in a minimum wage. Businesses bankrupted, mass unemployment, economy in tatters, we were told. I think they're quite keen on it now since they realised it's essentially the state paying a percentage of what their mates' businesses should be paying their employees.

They'd have had people working for their dole money by now if they'd been allowed to get away with it, so the idea that they're into higher wages is hilarious.

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52 minutes ago, Soapy FFC said:

The Tories were the main driving force behind outsourcing jobs in the public sector to 'increase competition and reduce costs'. That only resulted in low wages and crap working conditions for the employees. in the past a hospital cleaner would have been employed directly by the NHS, have a decent wage, a decent pension and all the other benefits of a decent job. Now they have minimum wage and possibly a zero hours contract.

This rings true yeah, I think Yanis Varoufakis talks on it too and finds it profoundly sad. Gist was that he used to be on first name terms with the cleaner when he was a lecturer and built up a rapport with them, now wherever you go its a revolving door of faceless low level wageslaves.

33 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Back in the Nineties, the Tories were absolutely howling about any attempt to bring in a minimum wage. Businesses bankrupted, mass unemployment, economy in tatters, we were told. I think they're quite keen on it now since they realised it's essentially the state paying a percentage of what their mates' businesses should be paying their employees.

They'd have had people working for their dole money by now if they'd been allowed to get away with it, so the idea that they're into higher wages is hilarious.

Was it a court challenge that killed that? iirc there was a pilot scheme a few years back where people were indeed sent on some kind of shite like "skills development placements" at Poundland and the like for 2 - 3 weeks, with the threat of sanctions for not turning up, under the promise that once they completed the placement they might get given a contract... except that never happened because Poundland etc just got a new raft of claimants in for a while to get some sweet unpaid labour from.

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4 minutes ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

Was it a court challenge that killed that? iirc there was a pilot scheme a few years back where people were indeed sent on some kind of shite like "skills development placements" at Poundland and the like for 2 - 3 weeks, with the threat of sanctions for not turning up, under the promise that once they completed the placement they might get given a contract... except that never happened because Poundland etc just got a new raft of claimants in for a while to get some sweet unpaid labour from.

Yeah, it was a trial for the long-term dream of a return to the workhouses, but they were slapped down by the appeals court.

Never mind; they'll get there eventually.

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3 hours ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

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Was it a court challenge that killed that? iirc there was a pilot scheme a few years back where people were indeed sent on some kind of shite like "skills development placements" at Poundland and the like for 2 - 3 weeks, with the threat of sanctions for not turning up, under the promise that once they completed the placement they might get given a contract... except that never happened because Poundland etc just got a new raft of claimants in for a while to get some sweet unpaid labour from.

Aye, was that the place Kevin Bridges talked about having folk working for the dole? Something about how the workers would feel if they realised that everything in the shop was worth a pound except them...

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https://theloadstar.com/its-all-going-tits-up-at-uk-box-ports-and-despite-what-boris-says-we-cant-fix-it/

It's all going 'tits-up' at UK box ports and, despite what Boris says, we can't fix it

The UK’s main container ports are overwhelmed with unclaimed imports and starting to refuse the restitution of empty boxes urgently needed back in Asia.

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Soon we'll making our own Great British semiconductors again, surely. None of this foreign muck. We did just fine with the 48K Spectrum, manufactured from Great British parts!*

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36 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit

Pat Gelsinger told the BBC that before the UK left the EU, the country "would have been a site that we would have considered".


https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/dZ5pth

Another Brexit bonus.

 

Heard a comment on a radio phone-in programme from someone saying :

What does it matter, we can't get any fish now, either.

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Soon we'll making our own Great British semiconductors again, surely. None of this foreign muck. We did just fine with the 48K Spectrum, manufactured from Great British parts!*
* citation missing

Should I look out my old ZX81 from my parents loft and a cassette player to load the programs!
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2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit

Pat Gelsinger told the BBC that before the UK left the EU, the country "would have been a site that we would have considered".


https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/dZ5pth

Another Brexit bonus.

Tbf, that was always going to end up in Southern Germany. That's just where the eco system of EU large scale semiconductor manufacturing already exists (Global Foundries, TI, Infineon, XFAB, Fraunhofer institute so the talent pool is already there... as well as proximity to tool vendors like Carl Zeiss and ASML in the Negherlands)and where they are going to invest billions to bring chip production back. The UK even in the EU wouldn't have done that.

What's more worrying is what the UK government decides to do about the proposed sale of ARM to Nvidia.

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1 hour ago, BFTD said:

Soon we'll making our own Great British semiconductors again, surely. None of this foreign muck. We did just fine with the 48K Spectrum, manufactured from Great British parts!*

* citation missing

I was reading about a possible factory in Wales. Here's hoping because ARM shows we have the talent but as usual it gets hoovered up by foreign companies.

 

Unlike a lot of folk I don't want the country to go to dogshit just so I can act smug.

 

Although (disclosure) I couldn't because I voted for Brexit. In my defence I wanted an independent Scotland with it's own currency and in the EFTA like Norway and thought it would be better to leave the political union and remain in the economic union.

I didn't think we'd be mental enough to stop freedom of movement and all the other good parts to do with the lack of trade barriers.

 

I was obviously wrong and as the first to admit I was a fucking idiot. Not for the first or last time in my life I guess

 

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30 minutes ago, renton said:

What's more worrying is what the UK government decides to do about the proposed sale of ARM to Nvidia.

I actually thought ARM had been sold off years ago.

12 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

I didn't think we'd be mental enough to stop freedom of movement and all the other good parts to do with the lack of trade barriers.

Yeah, man, that was the #1 reason why the vote was even held in the first place. We'd still be in the EU if they'd agreed to keep taking patriotic British retirees who hated living in Britain and stop insisting we allow damned dirty foreigners to move here.

They aren't stupid and/or insane, however.

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8 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I actually thought ARM had been sold off years ago.

Yeah, man, that was the #1 reason why the vote was even held in the first place. We'd still be in the EU if they'd agreed to keep taking patriotic British retirees who hated living in Britain and stop insisting we allow damned dirty foreigners to move here.

They aren't stupid and/or insane, however.

Bought by Softbank in 2016... Theresa May said it showed the UK was open for business, as if letting your best assets be bought up was somehow a good thing.

However, the proposed sale by Softbank to Nvidia would disrupt ARM'S business model, probably cause Nvidia's direct competitors like Intel to move away from licensing ARM architecture in favour favour their home grown efforts and would see ARM shrink in ambition to being a small part of Nvidia instead of the big player it is now.

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33 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

I was reading about a possible factory in Wales. Here's hoping because ARM shows we have the talent but as usual it gets hoovered up by foreign companies.

 

Unlike a lot of folk I don't want the country to go to dogshit just so I can act smug.

 

Although (disclosure) I couldn't because I voted for Brexit. In my defence I wanted an independent Scotland with it's own currency and in the EFTA like Norway and thought it would be better to leave the political union and remain in the economic union.

I didn't think we'd be mental enough to stop freedom of movement and all the other good parts to do with the lack of trade barriers.

 

I was obviously wrong and as the first to admit I was a fucking idiot. Not for the first or last time in my life I guess

 

There is still a fairly large fab in Newport, as well as smaller, specialised fabs elsewhere including Greenock and Glenrothes but nothing on the scale that would it as attractive as Germany. Intel into the UK would be a total non starter.

There is still a lot of device and chip level design talent in the UK, but not so much on the fabrication side, not on that scale. ARM don't make chips, they design the architecture and license it out. Similar business model in a lot of places - the capital costs of building your own clean room facility are prohibitive. So most companies use the fabless route and do chip design in one place and partner up with a pure play fab elsewhere to make them.

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4 minutes ago, renton said:

Bought by Softbank in 2016... Theresa May said it showed the UK was open for business, as if letting your best assets be bought up was somehow a good thing.

Well, selling off the family jewels has been the UK's mantra for at least as long as I've been alive.

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2 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Well, selling off the family jewels has been the UK's mantra for at least as long as I've been alive.

I read about some biologists who discovered the world's oldest clam - nearly 400 years old, however, to make that  discovery they took it out the water, and pryed open the shell to count the layers to make that determination. Thus killing it pan breid.

Best metaphor for how the UK judges thr success of it's companies I can think of.

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