Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[bendan]

24 minutes ago, coprolite said:

 

I think it’s fair to point out that a benefit for some people isn’t the same as being a benefit to the economy. 
 

I think it’s also fair to point out that upwards pressure on some wages from reduced labour supply won’t necessarily lead to higher wages even for those specific jobs.

Comparing that to cbi scaremongering is either missing the point or disingenuous.  

 

I'm not comparing what you've said just there to CBI scaremongering. I was comparing your initial scaremongering post to CBI scaremongering. Talk about disingenuous!

[jakedee]

Isn't it more likely that they simply wouldn't offer those products in places like the Highlands, as it doesn't make sense to devote limited resources to the task of delivering these low value, bulky items?

Yes, that's exactly what will happen, the consumer will be penalised in their choice of products merely due to where they live. The amount of deliveries will reduce,the amount of staff required will then be reduced.
Hence my original comment.

[coprolite]

32 minutes ago, bendan said:

I'm not comparing what you've said just there to CBI scaremongering. I was comparing your initial scaremongering post to CBI scaremongering. Talk about disingenuous!

Ok. Can’t be arsed with anymore you said /I said balls so I’ll try to change the subject a bit.

Hospitality is also suffering an acute skills shortage. Individual Restaurants and bars are notoriously precarious businesses and the staff are generally min wage and relatively low skilled. 
 

How do you see the excess demand for labour being resolved in hospitality?

I’d hope that wage rises will play a bigger part than businesses closing. Anecdotally both are happening but I’ve no real idea of numbers. I fear the reverse might happen (not saying I think it will).

My bigger fear is that the laissez faire ideologues in the government see this as an opportunity and reason to reduce benefits to increase labour market participation. 

[speckled tangerine]

As some guy said:

"True believers don't see gaps on supermarket shelves........

They see sovereignty!"

[welshbairn]

Taking back ar freedom!

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/sep/01/thousands-of-british-students-in-limbo-with-post-brexit-visa-chaos

[scottsdad]

1 hour ago, Girth said:

This looks like a spoof. Any good!?

It is indeed a spoof - no idea if it is any good

[scottsdad]

27 minutes ago, speckled tangerine said:

As some guy said:

"True believers don't see gaps on supermarket shelves........

They see sovereignty!"

In Tesco yesterday, it was pretty bad

[bendan]

1 hour ago, coprolite said:

Ok. Can’t be arsed with anymore you said /I said balls so I’ll try to change the subject a bit.

Hospitality is also suffering an acute skills shortage. Individual Restaurants and bars are notoriously precarious businesses and the staff are generally min wage and relatively low skilled. 
 

How do you see the excess demand for labour being resolved in hospitality?

I’d hope that wage rises will play a bigger part than businesses closing. Anecdotally both are happening but I’ve no real idea of numbers. I fear the reverse might happen (not saying I think it will).

My bigger fear is that the laissez faire ideologues in the government see this as an opportunity and reason to reduce benefits to increase labour market participation. 

It's interesting you see a government that has spunked unprecedented amounts of money during the Covid crisis as laissez faire. 

Hospitality faces a lot of difficulties getting staff. I'd say low end places will need to look at their business model if they want to stay open. By that I mean ordering on your phone or other ways of reducing human involvement. Higher end places can pay more, and we'll probably see the government add countries to the youth mobility programme, which would help supply.

[coprolite]

14 minutes ago, bendan said:

It's interesting you see a government that has spunked unprecedented amounts of money during the Covid crisis as laissez faire. 

Hospitality faces a lot of difficulties getting staff. I'd say low end places will need to look at their business model if they want to stay open. By that I mean ordering on your phone or other ways of reducing human involvement. Higher end places can pay more, and we'll probably see the government add countries to the youth mobility programme, which would help supply.

I don’t see the government as A whole as laissez faire. That would be too much like a principle. But there’s still influential individuals in the Tory party that will jump at the chance to make the poor poorer (Redwood, IDS etc).

[O'Kelly Isley III]

I've seen and heard lots recently about Wetherspoons struggling to get supplies.  Not once however has anyone made reference to ba'-faced owner Tim Martin being a major Brexit cheerleader, never mind seeking him out for interview.  Journalistic scraping the barrel springs to mind.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

No Haribo in Co-Op last night.

[Gaz]

Our local wee Sainsbury's has had a shortage of quite a few bits and bobs over the past couple of weeks.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

Great opportunity to prove to the nation that our new sovereignty can be used as a flexible tool to sort out any short term problems that come our way. Instead nothing. No solutions offered at all. 

Point to this shitshow if anybody tells you Brexit was about anything other than Johnny Foreigner.

[BigDoddyKane]

Taking away brexit from the equation and just asking a general question. If the wages are too low does it mean for a lot of goods/services we just arent paying a fair price and and we have maybe got too used to that in a way and brexit or not at some point that was always going to have to be looked at if we want a fairer more equal society.

Clearly the tories arent interested in that but all the other parties should be

 

[Clown Job]

Its due to brexit, but they seem to want to avoid using that word 

[bendan]

6 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I've seen and heard lots recently about Wetherspoons struggling to get supplies.  Not once however has anyone made reference to ba'-faced owner Tim Martin being a major Brexit cheerleader, never mind seeking him out for interview.  Journalistic scraping the barrel springs to mind.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/01/wetherspoons-short-on-some-beers-as-brexit-affects-deliveries

Parent company JD Wetherspoon, which is led by vocal Brexit-supporter Tim Martin, confirmed on Wednesday that some of its pubs did not have the beers in stock

[Granny Danger]

6 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I've seen and heard lots recently about Wetherspoons struggling to get supplies.  Not once however has anyone made reference to ba'-faced owner Tim Martin being a major Brexit cheerleader, never mind seeking him out for interview.  Journalistic scraping the barrel springs to mind.

“Wetherspoons struggling to get supplies” is the first positive Brexit story I have seen.

[Baxter Parp]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/02/brexit-uk-food-drink-exports-eu-disastrous-decline?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Brexit: food and drink exports to EU suffer ‘disastrous’ decline

First-half sales fall £2bn, says industry body, as barriers are compounded by staff shortages

[Theroadlesstravelled]

17 hours ago, Clown Job said:

Its due to brexit, but they seem to want to avoid using that word 

The UK government won’t let them blame brexit.

[Jacksgranda]

Some medicines won't get into NI (from GB).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-58426185