Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[SandyCromarty]

2 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

This is Natteromics at its finest.  No baseline to judge it by - just hysteria.

It's happening as you bleat, even at daily living you can see shop prices rising fast, being an avid cyclist you obviously would have missed the recent rise at the pumps.

The shave foam I bought in Dec at £1.00 is now retailing at £1.69 in the same shop.

There's a lot of sneaky price rises going on as retailers strive to recoup revenues and cover Covid related costs.

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by SandyCromarty

[The_Kincardine]

22 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

It's happening as you bleat, even at daily living you can see shop prices rising fast, being an avid cyclist you obviously would have missed the recent rise at the pumps.

You said, "Cost of Living for the uk is set to rise by £206.00 per household, "

Yet you put no scale behind it.  Not surprising as that's what you mutton-headed Natters do.

Day?  Week?  Month?  Year?  Immaterial - as long as daft wee Sandy has to pay more for his can of shaving foam.

[Cyclizine]

8 hours ago, TAFKAM said:

Ah my bad. @Cyclizine I think it was you - how's your creel fishing family doing now?

Father in law is retiring, he was going to do this in the next couple of years anyway. Not economical to fish prawns and langoustine at the moment, as it's too much paperwork but there's an okay market for crab and lobster (in Norway, bizarrely) and it's sold at a premium.

The small guys are pretty screwed, there's a few bigger guys who will buy them out due to the administrative burden for exporting. There's a bit of a hope with promoting seafood here a better market might develop. However, recently, with the offshore wind development, they've been paid to abandon their traditional fishing grounds which has allowed a few to invest in tanks on shore for keeping produce fresh.

A big issue currently is the scallopers who have been dredging through a lot of creel gear in protected lanes. We're talking tens of thousands of pounds worth. Marine Scotland and Police not interested, even with the transponder evidence. This is one of the current scandals of Scottish inshore fishing. Creel fishing is pretty sustainable, but scallop dredging isn't. Rotating fishing grounds allows time for species to recover, but the scallopers don't like this. Ironic, when they push themselves as sustainable, but then you can bung the MSC a few grand and they'll sign you off.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Cyclizine

[Baxter Parp]

Johnson doesn't give a shit about Welsh, Scottish & NI Beef producers either.  Neither does any Tory or any Yoon. Looking at you Kincy.

[bendan]

It's quite an eye-opener how many on P&B are seemingly in favour of protectionism against imports from non-EU countries, yet not from the EU.

Edit: doesn't seem to have a lot to do with being undercut on price:

https://www.globalproductprices.com/rankings/beef_price/

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by bendan

[Cyclizine]

7 minutes ago, TAFKAM said:

This is mad - what do the police say? What do MSPs say?

https://theferret.scot/scallop-dredgers-sabotaging-fishing-gear/

It's been going on for years, but has escalated recently, apparently. Too many vested interests in Marine Scotland. Designating zones to separate creelmen and scallopers and rotating these seems to be the obvious solution. The scallopers destroy the seabed habitats and it takes years to recover. They then encroach on the creel areas and time runs through the lanes since they know when the transponder pings are due (only every hour or so) so they can deny ever being in the lanes.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Cyclizine

[peternapper]

On 16/06/2021 at 21:01, Baxter Parp said:

Johnson doesn't give a shit about Welsh, Scottish & NI Beef producers either.  Neither does any Tory or any Yoon. Looking at you Kincy.

Wonder it BOJo got a grown up to actually read his latest world beating oven ready deal, the last one did not work out too well

Edited June 19, 2021 by peternapper

[D Angelo Barksdale]

I'm half Aussie anyway, so I for one welcome our new dubious animal welfare farming overlords.

[Cyclizine]

27 minutes ago, TAFKAM said:

Daft question but can we not get faster transponders? I can track ships on marinetraffic way quicker than every hour for some boats.

Yes, but the marine fishing regulations are that they only need to ping every hour or two. Changing this would be an obvious thing to do.

[Jacksgranda]

11 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

It's happening as you bleat, even at daily living you can see shop prices rising fast, being an avid cyclist you obviously would have missed the recent rise at the pumps.

The shave foam I bought in Dec at £1.00 is now retailing at £1.69 in the same shop.

There's a lot of sneaky price rises going on as retailers strive to recoup revenues and cover Covid related costs.

 

Grow a beard.

[Florentine_Pogen]

"British food and drink exports to the EU fell by £2bn in the first three months of 2021, with sales of dairy products plummeting by 90%, according to an analysis of HMRC data.

Brexit checks, stockpiling and Covid have been blamed for much of the downturn, but the sector has said the figures show structural rather than teething problems with the UK’s departure from the EU."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

[SandyCromarty]

On 16/06/2021 at 21:04, bendan said:

It's quite an eye-opener how many on P&B are seemingly in favour of protectionism against imports from non-EU countries, yet not from the EU.

Edit: doesn't seem to have a lot to do with being undercut on price:

https://www.globalproductprices.com/rankings/beef_price/

 

The biggest gripe is that we do not have free trade with the largest trading bloc in the world, this Australian deal is peanuts compared to the EU markets we had access to pre Brexit.

What you have now is a uk government desperate at any cost for trade deals that they will sacrifice anything so that they can say they have a fantastic deal when we all know it's shite.

Consider yourself with a business and you have multiple guaranteed customers and overnight you cut them off and conduct your business with only one customer, business suicide, so you try to attract customers back by offering huge discounts at a loss to you.

[Granny Danger]

4 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said:

"British food and drink exports to the EU fell by £2bn in the first three months of 2021, with sales of dairy products plummeting by 90%, according to an analysis of HMRC data.

Brexit checks, stockpiling and Covid have been blamed for much of the downturn, but the sector has said the figures show structural rather than teething problems with the UK’s departure from the EU."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021

I’ve spoken to a couple of suppliers who are affected to some degree by Brexit.  They share the view that the problems (and potentially bigger problems to come) are structural rather than teething problems.  In other words, things are not getting better any time soon.

Only a free trade agreement with the EU will change this and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

[bendan]

19 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

The biggest gripe is that we do not have free trade with the largest trading bloc in the world, this Australian deal is peanuts compared to the EU markets we had access to pre Brexit.

What you have now is a uk government desperate at any cost for trade deals that they will sacrifice anything so that they can say they have a fantastic deal when we all know it's shite.

Consider yourself with a business and you have multiple guaranteed customers and overnight you cut them off and conduct your business with only one customer, business suicide, so you try to attract customers back by offering huge discounts at a loss to you.

You're a bit confused, Sandy, though you're not alone. We have an FTA with the EU - no quotas and no tariffs. We've just agreed an FTA with Australia that will retain quotas on some agricultural products for a transitional period. You could argue that neither represents 'free trade' seeing as non-tariff barriers are substantial, but it affects both of them.

Edited June 18, 2021 by bendan

[Baxter Parp]

I’ve spoken to a couple of suppliers who are affected to some degree by Brexit.  They share the view that the problems (and potentially bigger problems to come) are structural rather than teething problems.  In other words, things are not getting better any time soon.
Only a free trade agreement with the EU will change this and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

We have a free trade agreement with the EU. Unfortunately, its only free of tariffs, not red tape. We won't have unfettered trade until we join the customs union and agree to abide by the rules of the single market.

[SandyCromarty]

15 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

16 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

I’ve spoken to a couple of suppliers who are affected to some degree by Brexit.  They share the view that the problems (and potentially bigger problems to come) are structural rather than teething problems.  In other words, things are not getting better any time soon.
Only a free trade agreement with the EU will change this and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

We have a free trade agreement with the EU. Unfortunately, its only free of tariffs, not red tape. We won't have unfettered trade until we join the customs union and agree to abide by the rules of the single market.

Which is only six weeks old and is skeletal compared to what we had pre-brexit, tariffs are free Ok, it's alright for Boris a Co to crow that this is a great deal but time will tell when the EU bureaucracy kicks in, we already see the problems with NI.

As a non EU member this is not so much a Free Trade Agreement but more of a Free Trade Association with a club the uk does not belong to.

France alone will make it very difficult for the uk.

On a social level, as of next year uk residents will require an Etias Visa Waiver to enter EU countries which they will have to pay for. 

The US Esta Visa Waiver cost around £10.00 and it must be done individually, so that's an extra cost for a family of four if the EU charges similar. And we all know how difficult the US border control are, especially if you have a criminal record of any kind.

Edited June 19, 2021 by SandyCromarty

[bendan]

56 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

 

As a non EU member this is not so much a Free Trade Agreement but more of a Free Trade Association with a club the uk does not belong to.

 

No, the deal with the EU is as much a free trade agreement as the one with Australia. The P&B consensus seems to be that the one with the EU doesn't go far enough on free trade, while the one with Australia goes too far. This is based on the unusual view that a country on the other side of the world with higher average wages than the UK is going to unfairly undercut us, while countries nearby with much lower wages (Poland, Romania etc) somehow will not.

[Granny Danger]

16 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

17 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

I’ve spoken to a couple of suppliers who are affected to some degree by Brexit.  They share the view that the problems (and potentially bigger problems to come) are structural rather than teething problems.  In other words, things are not getting better any time soon.
Only a free trade agreement with the EU will change this and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

We have a free trade agreement with the EU. Unfortunately, its only free of tariffs, not red tape. We won't have unfettered trade until we join the customs union and agree to abide by the rules of the single market.

Very much the point I was making.

There’s no “fix” to this, the U.K. either has to change its stance or accept that the current situation, and all it’s attendant problems, is permanent.

[coprolite]

On 16/06/2021 at 18:00, Dawson Park Boy said:

Yes,  the cost of living, inflation, will rise for every country in the world, primarily due to money printing due to Covid and, very importantly, the rise in the oil price.

Nothing to do with Brexit.

Inflation isn't the same as price rises, that's just how it usually shows up. 

[SandyCromarty]

5 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Very much the point I was making.

There’s no “fix” to this, the U.K. either has to change its stance or accept that the current situation, and all it’s attendant problems, is permanent.

Due to the NI  problem the EU have hinted strongly on removing the free tariffs and quotas until the situation is resolved, they have the power to do this which is contrary to what Boris indicated that the uk has a strong trade position.

Beggar's can't be choosers

5 hours ago, bendan said:

No, the deal with the EU is as much a free trade agreement as the one with Australia. The P&B consensus seems to be that the one with the EU doesn't go far enough on free trade, while the one with Australia goes too far. This is based on the unusual view that a country on the other side of the world with higher average wages than the UK is going to unfairly undercut us, while countries nearby with much lower wages (Poland, Romania etc) somehow will not.

Didn't you see Peternapper's post further up this page where Michael McCormack the acting Australian PM is boasting how they've really screwed the uk ?

It's a fact not a P & B consensus, both the EU and Australia are handling these supposed FTA's to their own advantage and Boris and Co are selling the uk down the river to suit their own arguments and ego's.

Just wait and see how the US will feck us over and there is a possibility that American Health Insurance Companies will be given access to the NHS, already this month a project is underway proposing handing people's NHS health records in england over to private companies from your Doctor's surgeries, it is only a working model so far and english people will be given the option of opting out of the scheme, but what does that tell you?

 

Michael McCormack(acting Australian PM) - The big winners, in the UK-Australian trade deal, are Australian producers, Australian farmers, indeed Australia full stop... I'm not worried about the Welsh, Scottish & NI beef producers... I want what's best for Australian producers.