Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[John Lambies Doos]

@welshbairn

Good news




According to the text of the deal, those issued with a European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) before the end of 2020 can use it before its expiry date, after which, the UK will issue a new card - called the UK Global Health Insurance Card.

Similar to the EHIC - which entitles people to state-provided medical treatment if they fall ill or have an accident in any EU country, or in Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein - the new card will cover chronic or existing illnesses and routine maternity care as well as emergencies.

The agreement says any specialised treatment, such as dialysis or cancer treatment, "must be subject to a prior agreement between the insured person and the unit providing the treatment" to ensure the treatment is available.

[peternapper]

1 hour ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Great to see Boris get Europe telt.

If they look at his record they may not believe him. His record for getting things right is nearly non-existent, world leading track & trace & oven ready deals to name a couple.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

2 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Great to see Boris get Europe telt.

^ Got a Daily Express for Christmas.

[Jacksgranda]

3 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Great to see Boris get Europe telt.

 

3 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

Quite so.

 

1 hour ago, peternapper said:

If they look at his record they may not believe him. His record for getting things right is nearly non-existent, world leading track & trace & oven ready deals to name a couple.

 

40 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

^ Got a Daily Express for Christmas.

Not sure who's wooshing who here...

[ICTJohnboy]

1 hour ago, peternapper said:

If they look at his record they may not believe him. His record for getting things right is nearly non-existent, world leading track & trace & oven ready deals to name a couple.

 

Not to forget his press conference last Monday when he said there were around 170 trucks stranded at Dover - he had spoken to Macron about this and the whole thing would be resolved in a matter of hours.

What really pisses me off on these occasions is that the press/media simply accept so much of what he says as gospel. They should be crucifying the useless c**t and not giving him a moment's peace.

[Guest Jedi]

Is it really 'tariff free'? Given that (at least) 40% of components of a product have to be manufactured either in the UK or EU before being sold. If not tariffs then kick in. All about the product specific origin rules.

Presumably there will be a fair few manufacturing plants which import parts from outside the EU, to put their whole product together. If they don't hit the 40% target...tariffs it is.

Also, the additional red tape involved in regulating standards on products, prior to their being sold into the EU market, must involve a fair bit of cost which wasn't there before. Checks will still have to be made at this end ton agriculture, foods, medicines, cars (on emissions), to name a few to ensure they meet EU regulations.

In addition, financial passporting rights and access has now gone. That will mean a hit for not only London, but also Edinburgh, unless some financial companies relocate to an EU base.

Edited December 25, 2020 by Jedi

[Guest Jedi]

On the 'plus' side, a deal surely takes away any hard border with England, if an Independent Scotland was in the EU. Scotland, as an EU member would have to have the same trading terms with England as Spain, France, or Malta etc.

 

[LongTimeLurker]

5 hours ago, Jedi said:

On the 'plus' side, a deal surely takes away any hard border with England, if an Independent Scotland was in the EU. Scotland, as an EU member would have to have the same trading terms with England as Spain, France, or Malta etc.

There would have to be customs checks, so not entirely, but difficult to ramp up the fear factor in quite the same way when GB to NI and GB to EU trade is already subject to that. The almost fully open Norway:Sweden border would be a prime example of what would be readily doable and likely to happen regardless of any posturing.

Think the level playing field part of the deal is very important part. A bit like Holyrood having income tax varying powers but never actually using them pre-2017, the symbolism of being able to do something radically different is there but the practicalities of having tariffs imposed after doing so dictate strongly against anything significant ever actually happening.

That is likely to make this Brexit a lot softer in practice than it appears at first glance. The EU still has plenty of leverage on issues like financial services that were left out, so has a much stronger bargaining position than the UK does in the years ahead. That should make fishermen nervous about exactly how secure that 25% of fish that was returned is long term.

[IrishBhoy]

Really been trying to take myself away from the Brexit news recently, as I’m a great believer in focusing solely on your own life path and not allowing events out with your control to dictate your life too heavily...but seeing that staged photo of Johnson literally cheering the deal being made makes me angry. What exactly is it he’s cheering? Genuinely.  Not read most of this thread so if someone who is happy with this deal can enlighten me as to what specifically Johnson is cheering I would like to know. 
 

I’m aware making this deal avoids the nuclear option that was No Deal, and goods can be exported to the EU tariff free, which at least gives some sort of comfort to businesses in this country, but they will still be jumping through hoops to do so and by the sounds of it there is going to be unknown amounts of regulations forced upon them in the coming months. 
 

Unionists that are pleased with this deal and the recent goings on must have their heads so far in the sand it’s untrue. I don’t want to call them idiots as everyone can hold differing opinions, but what do they foresee this leading too. A border in the Irish Sea that will almost certainly set off a series of events that will threaten years of peace in a deeply divided nation. Support for the reunification of Ireland has been growing for years in the North, this will do nothing to halt that. 
 

Scottish independence has never really taken a back seat since the referendum, and the Better Together campaign used membership of the EU as a carrot to garner support for the No vote. To then have that membership removed just 6 years later against the will of the Scottish voting public, does nothing but signify how one sided this ‘Union’ is. Unionists love to quote the once in a generation patter, but that was with the caveat of ‘no material change in circumstance’. If this isn’t a material change in circumstance then god knows what is. 
 

I would love to be alive to watch this Union disintegrate, and to see how the out dated charade called Westminster reacts. 

[sophia]

7 hours ago, Jedi said:

On the 'plus' side, a deal surely takes away any hard border with England, if an Independent Scotland was in the EU. Scotland, as an EU member would have to have the same trading terms with England as Spain, France, or Malta etc.

 

I referred to this in a related context recently full in the knowledge that obsessive sorts would be triggered. The very mention of the English border elicits excitement but I fail to see it as anything other than an administrative boundary and checks such as would be required will be substantially handled by technology.

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, IrishBhoy said:

Really been trying to take myself away from the Brexit news recently, as I’m a great believer in focusing solely on your own life path and not allowing events out with your control to dictate your life too heavily...but seeing that staged photo of Johnson literally cheering the deal being made makes me angry. What exactly is it he’s cheering? Genuinely.  Not read most of this thread so if someone who is happy with this deal can enlighten me as to what specifically Johnson is cheering I would like to know. 
 

I’m aware making this deal avoids the nuclear option that was No Deal, and goods can be exported to the EU tariff free, which at least gives some sort of comfort to businesses in this country, but they will still be jumping through hoops to do so and by the sounds of it there is going to be unknown amounts of regulations forced upon them in the coming months. 
 

Unionists that are pleased with this deal and the recent goings on must have their heads so far in the sand it’s untrue. I don’t want to call them idiots as everyone can hold differing opinions, but what do they foresee this leading too. A border in the Irish Sea that will almost certainly set off a series of events that will threaten years of peace in a deeply divided nation. Support for the reunification of Ireland has been growing for years in the North, this will do nothing to halt that. 
 

Scottish independence has never really taken a back seat since the referendum, and the Better Together campaign used membership of the EU as a carrot to garner support for the No vote. To then have that membership removed just 6 years later against the will of the Scottish voting public, does nothing but signify how one sided this ‘Union’ is. Unionists love to quote the once in a generation patter, but that was with the caveat of ‘no material change in circumstance’. If this isn’t a material change in circumstance then god knows what is. 
 

I would love to be alive to watch this Union disintegrate, and to see how the out dated charade called Westminster reacts. 

Bollocks

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, IrishBhoy said:

Really been trying to take myself away from the Brexit news recently, as I’m a great believer in focusing solely on your own life path and not allowing events out with your control to dictate your life too heavily...but seeing that staged photo of Johnson literally cheering the deal being made makes me angry. What exactly is it he’s cheering? Genuinely.  Not read most of this thread so if someone who is happy with this deal can enlighten me as to what specifically Johnson is cheering I would like to know.... 

The EU was clamping down hard on tax avoidance and money laundering through offshore tax havens like Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, etc. A lot of the UK's economy in recent decades has been based on global money laundering through that building up the huge capital base needed to be the EU's main financial services hub.

Brexit secures half of that equation to the benefit of upper class spivs like BJ and Jacob Rees-Mogg and the deal softens the impact of disrupted trading links on the plebs short term. Longer term the EU is unlikely to allow London to remain its main financial services hub and UK GDP is probably going to drop significantly as a consequence relative to the EU.

Hoorah look at my tie we got a few fish back might work in Burnley but is unlikely to keep the plebs in Scotland who have been disadvantaged long term by these new arrangements and have an alternative available pacified for long. The main arguments that made Better Together the rational choice for an economic pragmatist last time have been severely undermined.

NI is now likely to slowly reorient economically away from cross-channel links that involve extra paperwork towards the RoI and EU. A very large chunk of Unionist sentiment was always really about the economy rather than Big Ian style bible bashing, so if a UK with a smaller GDP relative to the EU because it still hasn't rejoined is eventually unable to make it worth staying in subsidy terms...

Edited December 26, 2020 by LongTimeLurker

[renton]

It's fairly incredible to describe a tariff free deal on goods (mostly) where we have a deficit with the EU and tariffs on services where we have a surplus vs. The EU as in any way a good deal.

The financial passporting measures alone will see a huge flight in jobs from London to Europe.

[IrishBhoy]

14 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

Bollocks

Well we can only wait and see, I’m not claiming to be an expert on these issues and hopefully you are correct. From my own experiences and from what I have read on the topic, there is no shortage of people out there waiting to manipulate these recent events for their own cause. I lived in Enniskillen for a period in my life, I personally know people who have been waiting for an opportunity to arise. There is a lot of dangerous people in Ireland, that still hold a lot of dangerous weapons and very strong opinions. To me, this seems like the perfect opportunity for them. 

[Jacksgranda]

Just now, IrishBhoy said:

Well we can only wait and see, I’m not claiming to be an expert on these issues and hopefully you are correct. From my own experiences and from what I have read on the topic, there is no shortage of people out there waiting to manipulate these recent events for their own cause. I lived in Enniskillen for a period in my life, I personally know people who have been waiting for an opportunity to arise. There is a lot of dangerous people in Ireland, that still hold a lot of dangerous weapons and very strong opinions. To me, this seems like the perfect opportunity for them. 

The paramilitaries are too busy making money from their criminal activities and co-operating with each other to contemplate going back to killing folk (other than their own, for some perceived transgression).

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

14 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Great to see Boris get Europe telt.

Tell them what?  Can you please lube up before you plough us like a field?  

Amazing to watch your British nationalism cause you to embrace Boris and Brexit.  It really does warp people's minds

[IrishBhoy]

7 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

The EU was clamping down hard on tax avoidance and money laundering through offshore tax havens like Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, etc. A lot of the UK's economy in recent decades has been based on global money laundering through that building up the huge capital base needed to be the EU's main financial services hub.

I did read about the EU coming down harder on these tax havens, I believe they are bringing in laws around it at the start of next year. Makes sense that politicians who send most of their earnings offshore and declare a fraction of their wealth to HMRC would be in favour of Brexit. 
 

You can lump the City of London in amongst the places you have listed too. There is Russian billionaires with posters of Gordon Brown up on their bedroom wall because of the loop holes he created during the recession bringing big oil money into the country. It’s the most corrupt piece of land on the planet and you will rarely hear a word said about it. 

[bendan]

9 hours ago, Jedi said:

On the 'plus' side, a deal surely takes away any hard border with England, if an Independent Scotland was in the EU. Scotland, as an EU member would have to have the same trading terms with England as Spain, France, or Malta etc.

 

I don't get this at all. The UK is leaving the customs union and ending freedom of movement. We are going to have a hard border with the EU. 

[welshbairn]

 

[Baxter Parp]

It'll be interesting to see what happens to London without a deal on financial services. To say the least.