Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Fullerene]

39 minutes ago, zidane's child said:

Even if Brexit is an utter shambles (which it most likely will be), Leave voters will never admit they got it wrong.

As long as they get their Blue Passport cover or Brexit 50p piece they’ll be happy and deem it all worth while.

I don't think they will ever be happy.  They will continue to blame the EU for everything that is wrong in the world alongside foreigners and anyone who is different.

At some point the whole thing needs to make a noticeable impact and not just a drop in the pound.  That is when the penny might drop but probably not for most of them.

Could be wrong.  Could all be a marvellous success but I doubt it.

[Antlion]

1 minute ago, Fullerene said:

I don't think they will ever be happy.  They will continue to blame the EU for everything that is wrong in the world alongside foreigners and anyone who is different.

At some point the whole thing needs to make a noticeable impact and not just a drop in the pound.  That is when the penny might drop but probably not for most of them.

Could be wrong.  Could all be a marvellous success but I doubt it.

It will then be a result of the unelected foreigners over there bullying good old Blighty. They’ve already trotted this one out whenever there’s been even a hint of the EU not giving Johnson (and May before him) any and every contradictory, off-the-wall demands they squirted across the Channel.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Anyone wanting to see just what a disaster Brexit is going to be could do worse than catching tonight's Newsnight in which Professor Patrick Minford of Cardiff University, an utter zoomer  who sees the growing problems as mere bumps in the road, tried to bluster and waffle his way thro an interview with Emily Maitlis and another (sane) academic.  All of this would in itself be academic other than the fact that this elderly gammon is held in very high regard by those who have inflicted Brexit on all of us.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

Anyone wanting to see just what a disaster Brexit is going to be could do worse than catching tonight's Newsnight in which Professor Patrick Minford of Cardiff University, an utter zoomer  who sees the growing problems as mere bumps in the road, tried to bluster and waffle his way thro an interview with Emily Maitlis and another (sane) academic.  All of this would in itself be academic other than the fact that this elderly gammon is held in very high regard by those who have inflicted Brexit on all of us.

I haven't seen the show tonight, but to be fair to Minford he has never said that UK industry won't get decimated by leaving the European Union.

It is and was still "project fear" when the only pro leave economist's analysis was provided as evidence for not leaving, all the same.

Edited July 14, 2020 by Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo

[Detournement]

Today the EU acknowledged it exists to allow large corporations to avoid tax.

Vestager might as well give up. Tax reform is never happening. 

[Antlion]

3 hours ago, Detournement said:

Today the EU acknowledged it exists to allow large corporations to avoid tax.

Vestager might as well give up. Tax reform is never happening. 

Whereas that’s just a side bonus of the UK, whose financial and political corruption runs wider and deeper.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hmrc-tax-gap-avoidance-billions-pounds-a8968591.html

And yet you support the UK. So it’s a bit difficult to believe your complaints about the big, bad EU are genuine.

[Detournement]

34 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Whereas that’s just a side bonus of the UK, whose financial and political corruption runs wider and deeper.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hmrc-tax-gap-avoidance-billions-pounds-a8968591.html

And yet you support the UK. So it’s a bit difficult to believe your complaints about the big, bad EU are genuine.

As bad as the UK is no company is going to be paying a 0.005% tax rate.

And in the UK corporate tax can now be changed via a general election. In France or Germany it's impossible for political parties to tax Apple unless they also go through the rigmarole of leaving the EU.

[Antlion]

2 hours ago, Detournement said:

As bad as the UK is no company is going to be paying a 0.005% tax rate.

And in the UK corporate tax can now be changed via a general election. In France or Germany it's impossible for political parties to tax Apple unless they also go through the rigmarole of leaving the EU.

No, members of the UK, like Scotland, can absolutely not change corporate tax rates via general election. In Scotland it’s impossible for parties to tax Apple unless they also go through the rigmarole of leaving the UK. I’m glad you agree it’s worth it, though.

[BFTD]

Can't we just ban Apple, like Huawei?

Steve Jobs refusing to wash himself should have been enough cause.

[Detournement]

10 hours ago, Antlion said:

No, members of the UK, like Scotland, can absolutely not change corporate tax rates via general election. In Scotland it’s impossible for parties to tax Apple unless they also go through the rigmarole of leaving the UK. I’m glad you agree it’s worth it, though.

Scotland isn't a state. 

Sorry to break it you mate. Stay away from sharp objects. 

Edited July 16, 2020 by Detournement

[welshbairn]

The UK is likely planning to lower corporate tax rates to draw investment away from Ireland and elsewhere in the EU, especially with it crashing after December 31st.

[Wee Bully]

13 hours ago, Detournement said:

As bad as the UK is no company is going to be paying a 0.005% tax rate.

And in the UK corporate tax can now be changed via a general election. In France or Germany it's impossible for political parties to tax Apple unless they also go through the rigmarole of leaving the EU.

You’ll have to talk me though this one.

Are you saying that the EU prevents Germany from raising its corporate tax rate?

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

You’ll have to talk me though this one.

Are you saying that the EU prevents Germany from raising its corporate tax rate?

Germany can raise it's corporate tax rate. 

The issue is that single market Freedom of Capital and of Services allows Apple to pay tax on their German profits in Ireland at 0.005%.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Detournement

[Wee Bully]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Germany can raise it's corporate tax rate. 

The issue is that single market Freedom of Capital and of Services allows Apple to pay tax on their German profits in Ireland at 0.005%.

Is this not what BEPS (a worldwide initiative) is designed to combat.  Being a member of the EU won’t prevent that occurring.

Equally, Germany could currently use transfer pricing rules.  The case wasn’t about that.  It was about the EU trying and failing to dictate a tax rate to one of its member states (Ireland).  So, in fact, the opposite of your claim.

[Antlion]

2 hours ago, Detournement said:

Scotland isn't a state. 

Sorry to break it you mate. Stay away from sharp objects. 

That’s rather the point, isn’t it?  A bit odd that you support capitalist unions that deny member nations statehood (and all the anti capitalist opportunities that statehood allow, like voting in socialist governments with the power to scrap corporation tax) and yet won’t shut up about the evils of capitalist unions that allow their members the freedoms that come with statehood.

It’s almost like you’re about as much a socialist as Jean Claude Junker.

[Detournement]

43 minutes ago, Antlion said:

That’s rather the point, isn’t it?  A bit odd that you support capitalist unions that deny member nations statehood (and all the anti capitalist opportunities that statehood allow, like voting in socialist governments with the power to scrap corporation tax) and yet won’t shut up about the evils of capitalist unions that allow their members the freedoms that come with statehood.

It’s almost like you’re about as much a socialist as Jean Claude Junker.

The issue with that is that Scotland was offered statehood in 2014 and clearly rejected it and a mechanism exists to unite Ireland in the GFA but there is no political will to use it. 

You also need to recognise that the UK state and the EU supranational institutions aren't comparable.

[Anonapersona]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

The issue with that is that Scotland was offered statehood in 2014 and clearly rejected it and a mechanism exists to unite Ireland in the GFA but there is no political will to use it. 

You also need to recognise that the UK state and the EU supranational institutions aren't comparable.

How did you vote in 2014?

[Detournement]

2 minutes ago, Anonapersona said:

How did you vote in 2014?

I voted Yes. 

[Anonapersona]

Just now, Detournement said:

I voted Yes. 

But now you come across as against independence. You prefer long term toryism to anything EU.

Yes? No?

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

The issue with that is that Scotland was offered statehood in 2014 and clearly rejected it and a mechanism exists to unite Ireland in the GFA but there is no political will to use it. 

You also need to recognise that the UK state and the EU supranational institutions aren't comparable.

Scotland was offered the chance to become independent of an EU member state - it has never been asked if it wants to be part of Brexit Britain and has, in fact, indicated a strong preference for retaining EU rights and privileges since 2014. There is a mechanism to achieve Scottish statehood and, if we so choose, to put in place a socialist Scottish government which is either pro or anti EU. And there is a political will to use that mechanism, as much as it horrifies the Tories and their enablers and their apologists.

Indeed - one is far more constraining than the other. One is far more against the institution of socialist government than the other. One is historically more fiercely capitalist and exploitative of workers than the other. And that’s the one you support, which gives the lie to any pretence your latest persona has to being a socialist.