Detournement Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 They can't call a VONC because it won't get a majority due to the Lib Dems and the currently whip less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: ....When every poll suggested doing so would lead to a landslide Tory win? They got burned quite badly the last time they believed that and that was with Nigel Farage in political hibernation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 The price we'll have to pay for the most pathetic opposition in UK history being obliterated and Corbyn resigning is the most right-wing government in UK history, quite probably with a majority. f**k Corbyn and his bumbling, schoolboy socialism, and his unwillingness to stand up for the UK remaining in the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: When every poll suggested doing so would lead to a landslide Tory win? Yes, because of Corbyn's shortcomings. All Labour would have to do to win a GE would be to change their leader. And remember, the SNP losing seats at the last election was what got the Tories over the line. I rather suspect they will regain all these lost seats next time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Completely disagree. It has meant that Johnson and his cabal haven't been able to rig the timing of a General Election. That's fine for you because you've bought into the end is nigh bollocks. But take your partisan specs off for a moment and try to imagine a similar situation but with Labour "in power". If Labour/SNP/Lib Dems are so paranoid about "no deal" the logic is to block a general election and keep this zombie government in place, trying to negotiate a FTA like a puppet with parliament's hand up its erse from now until the end of 2020. That will be a disaster. Edited October 24, 2019 by Pet Jeden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Most voters believe violence against MPs 'is price worth paying' over Brexit Research finds majority of both leave and remain voters feel violence worth it to get outcome they support https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/24/majority-of-voters-think-violence-against-mps-is-price-worth-paying-for-brexit Holy cow. From farce to tragedy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 They got burned quite badly the last time they believed that and that was with Nigel Farage in political hibernation.This.I genuinely think that General Election is not the foregone conclusion that some are saying.The Tories will do badly in Scotland, London and the South West. I have a feeling that there won't be any sort of electoral deal between Farage and Johnson as both have egos the size of a mountain - Farage, in particular, is clearly not happy playing second fiddle to Johnson - he will keep hammering the point with the hard Leavers that Johnson's deal is a BrINO deal (even though it isn't). Even a modest Brexit Party showing could be really damaging - you can imagine that the Lib Dems might come through the middle in some constituencies - picking up the Remain vote. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Baxter Parp said: Most voters believe violence against MPs 'is price worth paying' over Brexit Research finds majority of both leave and remain voters feel violence worth it to get outcome they support https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/24/majority-of-voters-think-violence-against-mps-is-price-worth-paying-for-brexit Holy cow. From farce to tragedy. Other things covered in the same poll also worrying: “However, a huge number of those who voted leave in the EU referendum believed that economic losses would be worth it – 76% in England and Scotland and 81% in Wales. Similarly, voters overwhelmingly felt that the potential destruction of the country’s farming and fishing industries would be a price worth paying for getting the result they wanted in the Brexit negotiations.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Other things covered in the same poll also worrying: “However, a huge number of those who voted leave in the EU referendum believed that economic losses would be worth it – 76% in England and Scotland and 81% in Wales. Similarly, voters overwhelmingly felt that the potential destruction of the country’s farming and fishing industries would be a price worth paying for getting the result they wanted in the Brexit negotiations.” Madness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: No, because brexit voters were folding back into the Tory vote. When the Tory vote share goes up it's not because labour voters are swapping in droves. That's only part of it, and I'm beginning to get the impression Brexit voters might now be coming round to seeing the error of their ways. Also as LTL suggests above Farage won't be doing the Tories any favours. Corbyn's the main reason for his party's lack of support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Most voters believe violence against MPs 'is price worth paying' over Brexit Research finds majority of both leave and remain voters feel violence worth it to get outcome they support https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/24/majority-of-voters-think-violence-against-mps-is-price-worth-paying-for-brexit Holy cow. From farce to tragedy. It's a stupid question. You might as well ask should we give in to violent threats. Also most MPs are quite keen on using violence against people so people might be thinking fair's fair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Well done Jeremy Corbyn. You've single handedly created the worst, and most far right Government in my lifetime. You should hang your head in shame. What utter nonsense. Yes Corbyn is weak and has been damaging to Labour. But look at the history of the Tory party. Up until Thatcher became leader and PM they were a one nation party in the sense of believing in capitalism but with some compassion. Even after the ravages of Thatcherism they still veered to the right which manifested itself over Europe under Major, which destroyed him. The Blair taking Labour back to the middle ground, where they always were, they lurched even more to the right. Their Euro haters effectively took control of the party and then Cameron opened Pandora's box for them and the far right genie was out of the bottle. So to say it's Corbyn's fault is disingenuous to say in the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I genuinely believe that there are lot of voters out there who regret voting Leave but are either too frightened (because of the vocal loudmouths), or too embarrassed, to admit they were wrong.Even amongst those who still believe in Leave there will be an element where this deal is just not acceptable - that's not just the hard Brexiters who think it is BrINO but soft Leavers who would happily live with a CU/SM deal.The best chance of beating Johnson is to keep exposing what a lying charlatan he is. Keep showing those pro-EU videos and every other time he's contradicted or downright lied. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 All of this election talk is deflecting from Johnson going back on literally every promise he’s made. ‘Do or die’, ‘dead in a ditch’, illegally suspending parliament (!!!), threatening to withdraw his deal which has been given some form of reception from Parliament and was, quite literally on Tuesday, a ‘fantastic’ deal. His Chancellor says there’ll be a budget next week but the PM’s spokesman rules it out. His brother has resigned from not just his cabinet but the party, he’s punted a load of MPs out of the party for being disloyal including the father of the house and Winston Churchill’s grandson, when he himself toppled the previous two Prime Minister. I’ve not even mentioned him continually refusing to appear before the Select Committee, pretty serious allegations of giving public contracts to the woman he was shagging as mayor of London, Rudd resigning cabinet because he literally refused to allow cabinet ministers to see the detail of No Deal planning... Do I need to go on much more? He and his cronies, aided by the same people who’ve done it with Donald Trump, are playing the press and the public for fools. He just says something else, we forget everything that’s happened before and obsess over the latest hare-brained scheme. Boris Johnson cannot call an election. There will not be an election called on Monday. Can we focus on the many, many failings of this absurd government rather than dancing to every little ‘leak’ from unnamed sources? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Reading the Sky News feed. WTF is Labour doing? The level of incompetence is staggering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tintax Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 No election and no majority in parliament. This is just going to rumble on and on. Johnson will never rule out a no deal, so labour will not back a general election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Why? They can't vote for an election if the EU extension is not yet granted. I’m talking about the mixed messages rather than a clear statement also 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Labour will vote down an election on Monday because they don't want one. Following that they will try to get amendments on having a Customs Union through on the deal, acting as if the EU don't have a say on that, so it is a waste of time. Why would the EU start to renegotiate the deal (again) with the same Tory govt in place who would never agree to a Customs Union now in any case. Can only assume that the Lab tactic (if there is one), is to hope that a 2nd Ref can sqeak through on the amendments.....then they would split down the middle again in the campaign as half of them would back Remain and the other half Leave, so they wouldn't have a unified policy on it. Think that ultimately all that Corbyn is interested in is staying as leader for as long as possible, to keep his 'true' faith burning. He doesn't want an election as that would risk his being removed as leader aftewards, he doesn't want to stay in the EU, but doesn't want to leave with any form of deal which has been negotiated by a Tory govt, he doesn't want Scotland to have a 2nd Indy ref. So what does he want, apart from to remain leader? It looks as if its a case of continuing in this interminable cycle of extension after extension until eventually the EU try to call the whole game off by suggesting that A50 has to be revoked as there is no other way out. As things stand that could take the best part of another year though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Tenner charity bet on Parliament agreeing to a GE on Monday. First come first served. To be clear, I'm saying they will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: What's hard about that? They don't want a vote till the EU says it's piece, but they can't be seen to whip against voting for it. I think it is eminently sensible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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