Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[The OP]

1 minute ago, Pet Jeden said:

Eh? You smoking a giant spliff? But the world does have borders, doesn't it? It's a bit like saying that people smuggling wouldn't exist if there were no vehicles, or there was no money, or there were no people! True but insane.

Read the post I've quoted in the post you've quoted.

The fact you seem to be very thick is probably the only decent argument against the 'scumbag' theory. 

[welshbairn]

36 minutes ago, The OP said:

Pat Jeden - "39 people dead, better attempt to exploit this on the Brexit thread."

Much as I vomit at the use of the deaths for political point scoring, the Bulgarian authorities are saying that the container was registered to a Northern Irish woman and the lorry that picked it up in Essex was leased in NI and driven by a Northern Irish man, so it's not beyond the realms of belief that the criminals involved may have paramilitary connections. What's insane and a bit sick is to blame it on remoaner politics though, it's about people who don't give a f**k trying to cash in on human misery.

Edited October 23, 2019 by welshbairn

[Pet Jeden]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Much as I vomit at the use of the deaths for political point scoring, the Bulgarian authorities are saying that the container was registered to a Northern Irish woman and the lorry that picked it up in Essex was leased in NI and driven by a Northern Irish man, so it's not beyond the realms of belief that the criminals involved have paramilitary connections. What's insane and a bit sick is to blame it on remoaner politics though, it's about people who don't give a f**k trying to cash in on human misery.

But it's those very people "who don't give a fck" that Brexit ihas been jumping through hoops for to avoid any semblance of a border!

(admittedly, the paramilitary connect is only speculation at present)

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

But it's those very people "who don't give a fck" that Brexit ihas been jumping through hoops for to avoid any semblance of a border!

(admittedly, the paramilitary connect is only speculation at present)

Brexit and hard borders give massive money making potential to Irish criminals especially, whether they have political connections or not. 

[Cerberus]

Rumours that Bercow will reconsider his retirement and stay in to troll the Gammons.

[ICTJohnboy]

4 hours ago, Cerberus said:

Rumours that Bercow will reconsider his retirement and stay in to troll the Gammons.

 

Hard to imagine anyone else coming in who could hold the morons to account as effectively as he does.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Rumours that Bercow will reconsider his retirement and stay in to troll the Gammons.

That would be absolutely glorious [emoji23]

[Granny Danger]

Whatever people think of the consent mechanism at Stormont and the ‘veto’ that it provides surely it was a fundamental part of a hard fought international treaty.

Surely, in the same way, the proposal in Johnson’s ‘deal’ undermines that mechanism and therefore is against both the spirit and the wording of the Good Friday Agreement.

[welshbairn]

The cross community consent principle was meant to prevent big changes to the status quo without both sides approval. The DUP want to use it to pull NI out of an all Ireland customs union with their veto, which is against the spirit of the Good Friday agreement if maybe not the rules. 

[Granny Danger]

Somebody needs to punch Mogg in the pus and tell him to stop treating Brexit like a joke.

[BawWatchin]

25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Somebody needs to punch Mogg in the pus and tell him to stop treating Brexit like a joke.

Well Brexit is a joke. A joke to monopoly men like Mogg.

[Pet Jeden]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Whatever people think of the consent mechanism at Stormont and the ‘veto’ that it provides surely it was a fundamental part of a hard fought international treaty.

Surely, in the same way, the proposal in Johnson’s ‘deal’ undermines that mechanism and therefore is against both the spirit and the wording of the Good Friday Agreement.

The obvious solution would have been some north-south checks away from the border and some east-west checks on agricultural/livestock. But the Nationalists/ROI/EU  and Unionists/UK both went for absolute victory. If I understand it right, it looks like the former are getting it their way. But absolute winners and absolute losers in a country with so many guns doesn't really seem like a clever outcome. 

[welshbairn]

 

[ICTJohnboy]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 

 

Suggestions he now wants to call for a GE.

Will Labour agree if No Deal can be taken off the table?  Somehow I think not.

[welshbairn]

23 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Suggestions he now wants to call for a GE.

Will Labour agree if No Deal can be taken off the table?  Somehow I think not.

What excuse would they use? They've continually said that their only reason for delaying an election is avoiding a No Deal.

[HTG]

14 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Suggestions he now wants to call for a GE.

Will Labour agree if No Deal can be taken off the table?  Somehow I think not.

 I watched a bit of Newsnight last night and the Labour rep couldn't even articulate how long was "long enough" to study the content of the deal. The Tory one banged on about getting it done. The SNP and Brexit ones were clear but without the other 2 are struggling. But the main point is that the "bring it on once No Deal is off the table" is about to get kicked into the long grass by Labour - terrified they'll win, terrified they'll lose, happy with the current shitshow.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, HTG said:

I watched a bit of Newsnight last night and the Labour rep couldn't even articulate how long was "long enough" to study the content of the deal.

She was dreadful, said they would need 2-3 months! Seems the Labour Party is split 50-50, McDonnell seems to be siding with the bottlers.

[ICTJohnboy]

6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

What excuse would they use? They've continually said that their only reason for delaying an election is avoiding a No Deal.

 

An election before Christmas might upset school nativity plays.

[Kejan]

If and it looks very likely there will be a 31st of Jan extension is secured, Labour don't have an excuse.

Corbyn for a year if not longer has been calling for one and even at the last vote attempt in September roughly said ''Get the extension first and then bring it on''.

Either way - having it now or in a year or so - they are delaying the inevitable of losing seats.

Brexit Party won't have anywhere near an influence, and if anything they may well lose both the main parties tight constituencies (1-4k majorities)to the opposition e.g Lib Dems in the south areas around London and the Tories in the north of England.

Corbyn got bye in 2017 on May being horrendous and to his credit making it about social issues. This is different and Brexit has been going on for 2 and a half years since the last election - still unresolved - and for many, getting extremely boring and tedious.

Farage has overplayed his hand too as most Brexit Party supporters seem to just want this done and eating up the BJ personality/Parliament are stopping me narrative.

 

[ICTJohnboy]

While Labour might not have any genuine excuses to avoid a GE, that won't necessarily stop them voting against it - or as they did last time,  just abstain.

The Tories will still need to win by a 2/3rds majority under the terms of the fixed Parliament Act.