Jacksgranda Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, ICTJohnboy said: Well that's nice - I'm sure that will make all those who are now unemployed feel much better. Might well do, actually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Well that's nice - I'm sure that will make all those who are now unemployed feel much better. You not been banned yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 48 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Well that's nice - I'm sure that will make all those who are now unemployed feel much better. You not been banned yet? From what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Penny dropping for the Scottish farmers. Remember in 2014 when you all had "Vote No" placards in your fields? We do so GIRFUY!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Scaremongering snowflakes.We all grow beetroot in our spare wellington boots in the war and survived that Penny dropping for the Scottish farmers. Remember in 2014 when you all had "Vote No" placards in your fields? We do so GIRFUY!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pet Jeden said: Right, Prof. Have digested that and can't argue with the legal constitutional description. But my point is - where is the logic/consistency of wanting to break free of being a 1/12th minority voice in Westminster but being desperate to maintain a 1/100th miniscule voice in Brussels? And only the myopic can argue that the EU is, and intends to remain, a mere "club". I wouldn't like to be a member of any club that reacts so bitterly to my resignation and where (some of) the remaining members line up in the hallway to give me a good kicking on the way out the door! The core EU members are quite clearly and openly heading for deeper integration. Despite your description of Scotland not being an entity separate from UK, I honestly believe that the UK would have made Scotland's secession much less painful than the EU is determined to make the "independent UK" state's secession from the "club". So in short, legally your case might be right. In practice it's not really. btw - hope you stayed to the end of the match Thanks for the further study and reply. Mine was as you agree an unarguable constitutional description. The political debate will always depend on circumstances.I am not sure where your fractions come from in terms of relative influence or voice , but the Brexit Conservatives have revealed that voices other than "leavers" have been sidelined ,whether it was May's red lines or Johnston's "do or die" . The disappearance of the Remain supporting Ruth Davidson is evidence of that. Your views on the EU are not ones I share ,which could be myopic, but in broader UK terms that boat has now sailed. I still believe the people of Scotland are entitled to make a choice on that for Scotland. The British government reached an agreement with the EU which I see as perfectly agreeable-I don't see it as painful treatment-but the problem is that the leave majority in Westminster could not agree on what they wanted. I also disagree with your use of the word "secession" in the context of a desire to see Scotland recover it's sovereignty. The idea that the UK would have been kinder to negotiating over Scottish independence is very optimistic. My only contribution to you on that would be George Osborne ( and Clegg and Milliband) ruling out any currency negotiations before any vote had happened.. On a football note I did stay to the end of the match and somehow we snatched a draw. I tend to stay to the bitter end no matter the score (including a 7-0 Firhill defeat) Edited September 29, 2019 by Chapelhall chap spelling error 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Penny dropping for the Scottish farmers. Remember in 2014 when you all had "Vote No" placards in your fields? We do so GIRFUY!!! Get it round them. They might have to trade in on of their 5 Range Rovers now. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Right, Prof. Have digested that and can't argue with the legal constitutional description. But my point is - where is the logic/consistency of wanting to break free of being a 1/12th minority voice in Westminster but being desperate to maintain a 1/100th miniscule voice in Brussels? And only the myopic can argue that the EU is, and intends to remain, a mere "club". I wouldn't like to be a member of any club that reacts so bitterly to my resignation and where (some of) the remaining members line up in the hallway to give me a good kicking on the way out the door! The core EU members are quite clearly and openly heading for deeper integration. Despite your description of Scotland not being an entity separate from UK, I honestly believe that the UK would have made Scotland's secession much less painful than the EU is determined to make the "independent UK" state's secession from the "club". So in short, legally your case might be right. In practice it's not really. btw - hope you stayed to the end of the matchWe really shouldn't humour you, but given the frequency of your posts you obviously have f**k all else to occupy yourself, so consider this.Ratios are of no account, but the Scotland I wish my country to aspire to has far, far more in common with European politics and sensibilities than those of Westminster. Curiously, they don't serially kiss America's arse or find themselves constantly on a war footing. Europe largely abandoned Ruritanian monarchies a long time ago, and they have an odd notion that societies don't always succeed by impoverishing large swathes of the population. Europeans also tend to learn from the past but live in the here and now, unlike a sizeable percentage of easily influenced Brits, of all intellects and none.Sure, the EU has structural problems but these are as nothing when compared to where Scotland is headed still shackled to Bedlam-On-The-Thames. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2019/09/29/the-mythical-bets-on-no-deal-brexit/#799f64524455 Frances Coppola thinks Rachel Johnson is talking out her arse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: We really shouldn't humour you, but given the frequency of your posts you obviously have f**k all else to occupy yourself, so consider this. Ratios are of no account, but the Scotland I wish my country to aspire to has far, far more in common with European politics and sensibilities than those of Westminster. Curiously, they don't serially kiss America's arse or find themselves constantly on a war footing. Europe largely abandoned Ruritanian monarchies a long time ago, and they have an odd notion that societies don't always succeed by impoverishing large swathes of the population. Europeans also tend to learn from the past but live in the here and now, unlike a sizeable percentage of easily influenced Brits, of all intellects and none. Sure, the EU has structural problems but these are as nothing when compared to where Scotland is headed still shackled to Bedlam-On-The-Thames. I really shouldn't humour you, but I'm a Russian bot, so here goes. Mind you, where to start? You need to mix with more varied people who might have some independent thought. 1. Well, actually ratios are of account. Just wait till a wee country wants to veto something that France and Germany want to push through. Or just remember the 2nd referendums foisted upon Ireland and Denmark. And ratios certainly do count at Westminster. 2. Certainly Britain does and France doesn't stick close to the US. But the new eastern states are very pro US for obvious reasons, and to some degree so are the Italians and Spaniards. There is obviously a strong strain of anti-Americanism in British society, particularly on the left. 3. Constantly on a war footing? Again - are you not considering the eastern countries properly European? And what was the last military action - Libya. UK and who? - the non arse-kissing French. 4. Monarchies - Most are not. Some are - Spain, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, They are all symbolic Heads of State. wtf is your point? 5. Impoverishment. You think the life of somebody living on benefits in a housing scheme in Paris or Dublin or Berlin is so very different to their equivalent in a UK city? 6. Europeans do learn from their past? Well, maybe, maybe not. A bit early to tell. AfD are polling* 27.5% in Germany. Is this ringing any bells in your wee fantasy world of goodies v baddies? Grow up, open your eyes and think for yourself. * Sorry - just Brandenburg and Saxony. Nationally more like 15%. Still a scary number for a truly far right party. Edited September 29, 2019 by Pet Jeden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: I really shouldn't humour you, but I'm a Russian bot, so here goes. Mind you, where to start? You need to mix with more varied people who might have some independent thought. 1. Well, actually ratios are of account. Just wait till a wee country wants to veto something that France and Germany want to push through. Or just remember the 2nd referendums foisted upon Ireland and Denmark. And ratios certainly do count at Westminster. Just out of interest, where is it that fucking morons find the confidence to post pish like this? The EU is currently solidly backing up a "wee country" versus the UK as we speak and it may well turn out to be very inconvenient for the likes of Germany and France. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Just out of interest, where is it that fucking morons find the confidence to post pish like this? The EU is currently solidly backing up a "wee country" versus the UK as we speak and it may well turn out to be very inconvenient for the likes of Germany and France. They are. And it will be inconvenient for them. But it is currently more important that the punishment beating is seen and noticed by the other populations. And let's see if there is any pressure put on RoI to be flexible over the next month. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: They are. And it will be inconvenient for them. But it is currently more important that the punishment beating is seen and noticed by the other populations. And let's see if there is any pressure put on RoI to be flexible over the next month. Please do describe the elements of this "punishment" of which you speak. Edited September 29, 2019 by Baxter Parp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Detournement said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2019/09/29/the-mythical-bets-on-no-deal-brexit/#799f64524455 Frances Coppola thinks Rachel Johnson is talking out her arse. Must admit, I thought Francis Coppolla had retired to his winery in California, or wherever. Anyway, there's nothing new in what this FC is saying. The travails of the Metro Bank have been widely reported for weeks, and months, in the business pages of the mainstream news media. As for Royal Mail, the 'new chief being sought' is simply the vacant post for another director. What FC is saying is that shorting companies is what shorters do. It's their everyday business. Basically he's putting up a snow job. And doesn't offer any evidence that Rachel Johnson is talking out of her arse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Ruth is gone and the Scottish Tories have caved. Including Ruth, presumably. Edited September 29, 2019 by Baxter Parp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: We really shouldn't humour you, but given the frequency of your posts you obviously have f**k all else to occupy yourself, so consider this. Ratios are of no account, but the Scotland I wish my country to aspire to has far, far more in common with European politics and sensibilities than those of Westminster. Curiously, they don't serially kiss America's arse or find themselves constantly on a war footing. Europe largely abandoned Ruritanian monarchies a long time ago, and they have an odd notion that societies don't always succeed by impoverishing large swathes of the population. Europeans also tend to learn from the past but live in the here and now, unlike a sizeable percentage of easily influenced Brits, of all intellects and none. Sure, the EU has structural problems but these are as nothing when compared to where Scotland is headed still shackled to Bedlam-On-The-Thames. more in common with European politics and sensibilities than those of Westminster. The Westminster in which Scotland has punched above its weight for 300 years? Curiously, they don't find themselves constantly on a war footing. The Scotland whose Fraser Highlanders saw off the French at Quebec on the Plains of Abraham? The Scotland whose Sutherland Highlanders were THE Thin Red Line at Balaclava? The Scotland whose Scots Guards were the key to giving Napoleon a doing at Waterloo? The Scotland whose son, David Stirling, founded the SAS? The Scotland whose Argylls defied orders and imposed Argyll Law in South Yemen? The Scotland whose soldiers have, voluntarily, been at the vanguard of either the most succesful or the most brutal Empire in history? The country on a 'war footing' hasn't been England but has been we Scotch. Europe largely abandoned Ruritanian monarchies a long time ago Scotland hasn't, though. The most ardent monarch in world history is our very own James VI who couldn't wait to take the high road to London to impose Scottish polity on England and they have suffered ever since. So Scottish politicians, Scottish soldiers and Scottish monarchs all combining to make the UK what it is today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 more in common with European politics and sensibilities than those of Westminster. The Westminster in which Scotland has punched above its weight for 300 years? Curiously, they don't find themselves constantly on a war footing. The Scotland whose Fraser Highlanders saw off the French at Quebec on the Plains of Abraham? The Scotland whose Sutherland Highlanders were THE Thin Red Line at Balaclava? The Scotland whose Scots Guards were the key to giving Napoleon a doing at Waterloo? The Scotland whose son, David Stirling, founded the SAS? The Scotland whose Argylls defied orders and imposed Argyll Law in South Yemen? The Scotland whose soldiers have, voluntarily, been at the vanguard of either the most succesful or the most brutal Empire in history? The country on a 'war footing' hasn't been England but has been we Scotch. Europe largely abandoned Ruritanian monarchies a long time ago Scotland hasn't, though. The most ardent monarch in world history is our very own James VI who couldn't wait to take the high road to London to impose Scottish polity on England and they have suffered ever since. So Scottish politicians, Scottish soldiers and Scottish monarchs all combining to make the UK what it is today.That's a lovely piece of turps-fuelled attention seeking. However, you should probably read the post you are responding to correctly in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: The Scotland whose Fraser Highlanders saw off the French at Quebec on the Plains of Abraham? The Scotland whose Sutherland Highlanders were THE Thin Red Line at Balaclava? The Scotland whose Scots Guards were the key to giving Napoleon a doing at Waterloo? The Scotland whose son, David Stirling, founded the SAS? The Scotland whose Argylls defied orders and imposed Argyll Law in South Yemen? The Scotland whose soldiers have, voluntarily, been at the vanguard of either the most succesful or the most brutal Empire in history? I don't know where to start with this utter shitload of lies and patriotic nonsense. Scots never made up more than 10% of the British Army even when the proportion of population was far higher than it is now (i.e. before the Highland clearances). The usual reason for joining was the alternative was starvation or immigration. f**k me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: The country on a 'war footing' hasn't been England but has been we Scotch. We what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: We what? He's on the rocks 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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