Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Pet Jeden]

32 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Pet Jeden = Pound shop Tibbermoresaint

I don't recall this Tibbermoresaint. But I take it you're not complimenting me.  Or the Pound Shop. More an Aldi man are you? So much more middle class - great deals on hummus.

[LongTimeLurker]

1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

By your logic Norway and Switzerland are really members of the EU.

In most respects they are. They just couldn't go all the way on it because of flag waving nutters. Being in the EEA rather than the EU might have prevented the current mess.

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, MixuFixit said:

Pet Jeden = Pound shop Tibbermoresaint

Maybe so, but he's far better value than Tibbermoresaint.

[Jacksgranda]

55 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

I don't recall this Tibbermoresaint. But I take it you're not complimenting me.  Or the Pound Shop. More an Aldi man are you? So much more middle class - great deals on hummus hubris.

There.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, German Jag said:

Today's Brexit update from gov.uk

"Chancellor announces support for post-Brexit future

The Chancellor will announce a package of measures to support the next generation, promote economic growth, and prepare for a post-Brexit future.

Published 28 September 2019

From:

HM Treasury and The Rt Hon Sajid Javid MP

A package of measures to support the next generation, promote economic growth, and prepare for a post-Brexit future, will be announced by the Chancellor Sajid Javid over the coming days.

Post-Brexit Funding

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal and should the EU cease to fund UK organisations after Brexit, the government has guaranteed funding to organisations in receipt of certain EU programme funding (such as the European Regional Development Fund and Horizon 2020).

Today (28 September) the Chancellor confirmed that the total amount covered by the guarantee would be £4.3bn in 2019/20 and £16.6bn over its lifetime - providing reassurance to charities, businesses and universities amongst others."

 

Why would the EU even consider funding UK organistaions after a no deal Brexit?

Also the magic money tree seems to be sprouting well.

Somebody should stick that on the side of a bus. 

ETA: I assume the entire Vote Leave campaign will be getting hounded about this? That's about 18 months of their extra NHS funding from leaving the EU right there. 

Edited September 28, 2019 by Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, German Jag said:

Today's Brexit update from gov.uk

"Chancellor announces support for post-Brexit future

The Chancellor will announce a package of measures to support the next generation, promote economic growth, and prepare for a post-Brexit future.

Published 28 September 2019

From:

HM Treasury and The Rt Hon Sajid Javid MP

A package of measures to support the next generation, promote economic growth, and prepare for a post-Brexit future, will be announced by the Chancellor Sajid Javid over the coming days.

Post-Brexit Funding

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal and should the EU cease to fund UK organisations after Brexit, the government has guaranteed funding to organisations in receipt of certain EU programme funding (such as the European Regional Development Fund and Horizon 2020).

Today (28 September) the Chancellor confirmed that the total amount covered by the guarantee would be £4.3bn in 2019/20 and £16.6bn over its lifetime - providing reassurance to charities, businesses and universities amongst others."

 

Why would the EU even consider funding UK organistaions after a no deal Brexit?

Also the magic money tree seems to be sprouting well.

Answer to question, because we’re British and if it wasn’t for us the whole of Europe would be speaking German, including the Germans.

As to the money tree, EU membership costs us a trillion pounds a day.  Fact.  There will be lots of spare money when we throw off the shackles of Europe.

[NotThePars]

Lexiteers are such strange beasts. Their thinking seems to be:

1. Remove any barriers to genuine tyranny
2. ????
3. Socialist Utopia

Tbf the Remain and Reform manifesto has a lot of 404 Not Found as well.

[Baxter Parp]

Set aside the Crown - which SNP claimed was going to remain largely unaffected. Then take into account that the EU’s direction of travel is from the simple 6 nation 1952 European Coal and Steel Community, towards a unified EU superstate with less and less ability to veto - and I accept that is a perfectly valid case for such a superstate - then, no, the two unions are not very different. Except that tiny Scotland’s ability to influence becomes even tinier.

The EU's "direction of travel" is nothing of the sort. Each nation still has the veto to block any of these constitutional changes. This is sheer leave.uk propaganda. You've been rooked like a granny with an email from a Nigerian prince.

[beefybake]

5 hours ago, German Jag said:

Today's Brexit update from gov.uk

"Chancellor announces support for post-Brexit future

The Chancellor will announce a package of measures to support the next generation, promote economic growth, and prepare for a post-Brexit future.

Published 28 September 2019

From:

HM Treasury and The Rt Hon Sajid Javid MP

A package of measures to support the next generation, promote economic growth, and prepare for a post-Brexit future, will be announced by the Chancellor Sajid Javid over the coming days.

Post-Brexit Funding

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal and should the EU cease to fund UK organisations after Brexit, the government has guaranteed funding to organisations in receipt of certain EU programme funding (such as the European Regional Development Fund and Horizon 2020).

Today (28 September) the Chancellor confirmed that the total amount covered by the guarantee would be £4.3bn in 2019/20 and £16.6bn over its lifetime - providing reassurance to charities, businesses and universities amongst others."

 

Why would the EU even consider funding UK organistaions after a no deal Brexit?

Also the magic money tree seems to be sprouting well.

 

 

Some years ago, I worked full time for 6 months as a volunteer for a South East London charity that gave computer training

to people with disabilities.  The charity was medium sized, turnover about £9 Million a year in todays money.  Like many other charities they didn't have a large

base of personal/individual donors.  They relied on fund raising from charitable foundations, project grants, and also grants from the Westminster

government.  Much of the grant money was in the form of match funding.  That is, "We'll contribute X pounds, if you can also obtain X pounds from elsewhere..."

A huge amount of the 'elsewhere' funding came from EU funds.

 

As for magic money trees, read the wording above carefully....

".... the government has guaranteed funding..... "

not  "..... the government has guaranteed fully/matched/replacement funding.... "

 

Basically what is really being said is that money will be drip fed into scenarios, up to a total limited amount.

As always with Tories...., the weaker will suffer.

Edited September 28, 2019 by beefybake

[AUFC90]

Ahh. But hat was way back in 2014 - before the middle classes lost their shit and decided referendums didn't need to be honoured if the uneducated plebs didn't properly understand their place.

It was still honoured though so your point is pish.

[ICTJohnboy]

Matt Hancock has just done a U turn and told Sophy Ridge that Brexit must happen on the 31st Oct, Deal or No Deal.

He did say when he was in the leadership campaign that, as far as he was concerned, leaving with No Deal would not be an option.

[Pet Jeden]

1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said:

Matt Hancock has just done a U turn and told Sophy Ridge that Brexit must happen on the 31st Oct, Deal or No Deal.

He did say when he was in the leadership campaign that, as far as he was concerned, leaving with No Deal would not be an option.

Good point ICTJ. People will spout any old shit when they are running for leadership....

[ICTJohnboy]

4 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Good point ICTJ. People will spout any old shit when they are running for leadership....

 

And continue to do so when anxious to be seen supporting their leader.

[Pet Jeden]

1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

And continue to do so when anxious to be seen supporting their leader.

Eh? Continue? You either think he was talking shit about "no deal" then, or he's talking shit about "no deal "now. Take your pick - but it's one or the other.

[John Lambies Doos]

Matt Hancock has just done a U turn and told Sophy Ridge that Brexit must happen on the 31st Oct, Deal or No Deal.
He did say when he was in the leadership campaign that, as far as he was concerned, leaving with No Deal would not be an option.

Did someone mention Sophy Ridge.. [emoji3531]

[ICTJohnboy]

16 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Eh? Continue? You either think he was talking shit about "no deal" then, or he's talking shit about "no deal "now. Take your pick - but it's one or the other.

 

The two-faced cnut owned up to changing his mind.

Quote

Hancock admits changing his mind on no-deal

He is challenged with a quote he said during the Tory leadership contest when he was running for the top job: "No-deal is not a policy option available to the next prime minister… The real choice is between leaving with a deal or no Brexit."

Asked whether he has since changed his mind about that, Hancock admits "yes I have" - and adds: "I absolutely think we've got to get Brexit done."

He adds the UK "may well" leave the EU with no-deal.

 

[ICTJohnboy]

7 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Did someone mention Sophy Ridge..

 

They should have her on TV all day long and get rid of all the others.

[Jacksgranda]

On 26/09/2019 at 09:31, Jacksgranda said:

A bigger factor might be that Wrightbus gave the church £15 million - over a period of years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49869944

[Pet Jeden]

On 28/09/2019 at 09:59, Chapelhall chap said:

It all depends on what you mean by "union" and your other use of "Union" ( I assume the capital letter might just be a typing error) . The UK is an independent state and agreed to become a member of the EEC in the 70s. Every UK government since has shared aspects of it's sovereignty inside the EEC and then the EU ; the UK still remained an independent state in the U.N. and NATO whilst sharing aspects of its sovereignty.  The decision to ask the voters about leaving the EU was the act of an independent state ( and IMO it ought to be implemented in a soft way) and the EU had a set of legal methods for leaving . The EU did not have to agree to the referendum and had no power to decide who had the franchise : that was in the power of Westminster, 

Membership would end if the  UK Parliament legislated for it and it was then up to the UK to negotiate a new relationship.

The constitutional position of Scotland is that it is not a member state  of the UK. It is indeed as David Mundell made clear a "part" of the UK and not a partner. When Boris Johnson talks of negotiating with "our friends and partners" that tells me that the UK is in a different constitutional relationship in the EU than Scotland is in the UK.  Indeed I take the Tam Dalyelll position:

" Power devolved is power retained" , and the Supreme Court has also ruled that the Sewell convention where Westminster will not normally legislate on devolved matters. It is merely a convention and has no legal status. 

Scotland 's rulers gave up  its national sovereignty in 1707 and does not therefore have shared sovereignty inside the UK. It cannot end it's "part" status inside the UK unless the "English" ( your word) state agrees to it. This was an incorporation not a club of members as is the  EU so we are not leaving a "union" Should we then decide to apply for EU as a member state that would be a matter for the Scottish people..

I wonder also if you would describe as contradictory the Baltic States who left the "Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics" and then joined the European Union?

 

Right, Prof. Have digested that and can't argue with the legal constitutional description. But my point is - where is the logic/consistency of wanting to break free of being a 1/12th minority voice in Westminster but being desperate to maintain a 1/100th miniscule voice in Brussels? And only the myopic can argue that the EU is, and intends to remain, a mere "club".  I wouldn't like to be a member of any club that reacts so bitterly to my resignation and where (some of) the remaining members line up in the hallway to give me a good kicking on the way out the door! The core EU members are quite clearly and openly heading for deeper integration. 

Despite your description of Scotland not being an entity separate from UK, I honestly believe that the UK would have made Scotland's secession much less painful than the EU is determined to make the "independent UK" state's secession from the "club". So in short, legally your case might be right. In practice it's not really.

btw - hope you stayed to the end of the match

Edited September 29, 2019 by Pet Jeden

[ICTJohnboy]

27 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49869944

Quote

During the service, anyone affected by the collapse was asked to stand while the rest of the congregation prayed for them.

 

Well that's nice - I'm sure that will make all those who are now unemployed feel much better.