Jacksgranda Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) The choice should be there. Replying to B M. Edited September 2, 2019 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There’s folk on here who seem unable to distinguish between leadership and policies. Corbyn has driven left-of-centre policies in the Labour Party and has ended up as leader because there’s now a genuine support in the membership for such policies. Quite a number of those who joined the party because of its change of direction have since left due to the terrible Brexit policy. However membership is still far higher since Corbyn took over than ever before. I am delighted that Labour are offering people a real alternative and I don’t see a return to the Blair days. Hopefully the PLP will gradually change to reflect the Labour Party as it now is. If people genuinely want a centrist party they can vote Lib Dem, but should remember what happened the last time they had a sniff of power. 3 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: The choice should be there. Replying to B M. I'm agreeing with both of you fine gentlemen. I'm simply pointing out that a Labour party that is verging towards Socialist ideas/principles, will never, ever form the government of the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm agreeing with both of you fine gentlemen. I'm simply pointing out that a Labour party that is verging towards Socialist ideas/principles, will never, ever form the government of the UK. The UK as an electorate typically votes right of centre with Scotland in most recent years favouring left of centre parties. Its clear however that with the new tory policies and the brexit party that ‘the UK’ has shifted even further to the right making Labour even more unelectable. Scotland’s only chance of getting a centre left government is to leave the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Brilliant speech by Tony Blair (currently live on Sky) to the Institute for Government, making a very compelling case for the UK remaining within the EU. I'm really impressed with what he is saying here - just too bad that his lies over WMD land numerous others over Iraq, have not been forgotten, and of course no one now takes anything he says seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: I'm agreeing with both of you fine gentlemen. I'm simply pointing out that a Labour party that is verging towards Socialist ideas/principles, will never, ever form the government of the UK. Never say never! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Brilliant speech by Tony Blair (currently live on Sky) to the Institute for Government, making a very compelling case for the UK remaining within the EU. I'm really impressed with what he is saying here - just too bad that his lies over WMD land numerous others over Iraq, have not been forgotten, and of course no one now takes anything he says seriously. Apart from you, obviously... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Apart from you, obviously... Once a liar, always a liar? You're probably right there. All I would add is that Blair is making a much better job of attacking Boris and his government than the dithering Corbyn ever could. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 There’s folk on here who seem unable to distinguish between leadership and policies. Corbyn has driven left-of-centre policies in the Labour Party and has ended up as leader because there’s now a genuine support in the membership for such policies. Quite a number of those who joined the party because of its change of direction have since left due to the terrible Brexit policy. However membership is still far higher since Corbyn took over than ever before. I am delighted that Labour are offering people a real alternative and I don’t see a return to the Blair days. Hopefully the PLP will gradually change to reflect the Labour Party as it now is. If people genuinely want a centrist party they can vote Lib Dem, but should remember what happened the last time they had a sniff of power.But Corbyn is a massive Brexiteer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: But Corbyn is a massive Brexiteer. So was Granny! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 hours ago, Fullerene said: If the Labour Party had given clear guidance to Labour voters to vote Remain then it is likely the referendum result would have been different. Otherwise why both campaigning. In that sense any leader but Corbyn would have been better. Labour had the same proportion of Remain voters as the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Am I right in thinking that, even if parliament passes some laws this week in a bid to stop no-deal, is it still at the discretion of the party to put the new laws into action and getting Lizzy to sign off on it? So in theory can postpone the signing of these laws to whenever it suits them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big Fifer said: Am I right in thinking that, even if parliament passes some laws this week in a bid to stop no-deal, is it still at the discretion of the party to put the new laws into action and getting Lizzy to sign off on it? So in theory can postpone the signing of these laws to whenever it suits them? I think we are in the cliched ‘unchartered waters’ however if Parliament passes legislation which the government refuses to enact I think the courts would get involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: I think we are in the cliched ‘unchartered waters’ however if Parliament passes legislation which the government refuses to enact I think the courts would get involved. Again I'm on Granny's side here, I'm probably running a fever. @Ad Lib would know the answer to this, would he not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Jacksgranda said: Again I'm on Granny's side here, I'm probably running a fever. @Ad Lib would know the answer to this, would he not? Possibly but maybe unfair to ask him to comment. Don’t want him marched out of Parliament with a police escort! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Granny Danger said: Possibly but maybe unfair to ask him to comment. Don’t want him marched out of Parliament with a police escort! Aye, I was thinking out loud, really, you're right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Granny Danger said: Possibly but maybe unfair to ask him to comment. Don’t want him marched out of Parliament with a police escort! Oh I don't know, might be a laugh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Big Fifer said: Am I right in thinking that, even if parliament passes some laws this week in a bid to stop no-deal, is it still at the discretion of the party to put the new laws into action and getting Lizzy to sign off on it? So in theory can postpone the signing of these laws to whenever it suits them? Was May legally compelled to ask the EU for an extension to A50 in March, following Parliament's vote, or did she just go along with it? The unwritten Constitution is becoming past its sell by date if the PM can just ignore convention and precedent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I think we are in the cliched ‘unchartered waters’ however if Parliament passes legislation which the government refuses to enact I think the courts would get involved. But, and I'm just spitballing, do we reckon the government can spin it in such a way that they are "enacting" the law, but they'll just delay it until after 31st Oct, rendering any new laws virtually meaningless? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, Big Fifer said: But, and I'm just spitballing, do we reckon the government can spin it in such a way that they are "enacting" the law, but they'll just delay it until after 31st Oct, rendering any new laws virtually meaningless? Same answer as last time. I think the courts would be asked to intervene. If the government inaction was to lead to an outcome contrary to the aim of the legislation I think there could be an application for an interdict (or equivalent depending upon where in the U.K. the application was made) to halt that outcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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