Guest Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: People get the political representatives they deserve. People who are critical of politicians need to get involved themselves. We would just end up corrupted.............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: People get the political representatives they deserve. People who are critical of politicians need to get involved themselves. In fairness that's a "if you don't like it, you know where the door is" type of statement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 NO MEANS NO !!! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47061650 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: It doesn't take a great deal of technical detail to describe the workings of the WTO from what I've read. No, I'm not an 'expert' but I have tried to read about it. I really doubt many brexiters have done the same. They are the ones touting it, not the reamainers. It's up to them to extol its virtues. So what do you think the problem with WTO rules are? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Delingpole is a fanny but the idea that you have to be able to explain your positions in technical detail in order to be entitled to hold them is extremely regressive. If you go down that road you end up in a technocracy dominated by the super rich (like this one). Nobody said “explain your positions in technical detail in order to be entitled to hold them”. I only asked that a frequently repeated option stated by Leavers should have been, at the very least, mildly critiqued. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: True. Ironically it was Mogg who said there should be two referenda; the second once we all knew what the detailed proposal was. He seems to have changed his mind. To be fair, that's not what he said at all and it has been skewed a bit. The point he was making was that we should have a referendum to give Cameron a mandate for 'renegotiation' and then, once that was complete, that renegotiation should be put on the ballot against other option(s) which would include not leaving at all. It's not really a position I hold but I do think there's a distinction with that sort of position (given that each question is openly stated prior to negotiations) since it doesn't 'undo' anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Nobody said “explain your positions in technical detail in order to be entitled to hold them”. I only asked that a frequently repeated option stated by Leavers should have been, at the very least, mildly critiqued. It's a fairly easy answer though. We should have tariffs that support UK industry and reflective of UK consumption varying by commodity and ensuring standards are met regardless of where the item is imported from. My problem is that this kind of questioning is only ever used against those who challenge the status quo, it's never applied to the law as is it currently exists. Having zero tariffs on food that isn't produced in the UK seems perfectly sensible but no one ever has to explain EU tariffs on African agriculture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 57 minutes ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: But isn't that a Catch 22? I personally am very disillusioned with politics. I find politicians unbearably patronising. I vote every 5 years, express my opinion then watch as things seem to carry on much as before. Ok, Brexit was out of the ordinary, didn't see that coming. But the 'representatives' we put in Westminster to deal with this are dealing with it the only way they know how, ie by shouting across the chamber at each other or forming unholy alliances. There is a system, and that system is long established. It's firmly ensconced at Westminster and known as First Past The Post. We live in what is essentially a conservative country and radical change to the voting system is something the UK is a long, long way from. So, yeah, I guess we do get the representatives we deserve. FPTP provides for strong and stable government so that we get things done instead of debating the same thing over and over again for months on end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's a fairly easy answer though. We should have tariffs that support UK industry and reflective of UK consumption varying by commodity and ensuring standards are met regardless of where the item is imported from. My problem is that this kind of questioning is only ever used against those who challenge the status quo, it's never applied to the law as is it currently exists. Having zero tariffs on food that isn't produced in the UK seems perfectly sensible but no one ever has to explain EU tariffs on African agriculture. If we declare zero tariffs on all food imports why would any other country feel the need to reciprocate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 This is mildly encouraging if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: In fairness that's a "if you don't like it, you know where the door is" type of statement. No, I’m suggesting you get involved not get out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If we declare zero tariffs on all food imports why would any other country feel the need to reciprocate? I didn't say all food imports. I said food we don't produce in great quantities. Whether other countries reciprocate or not is irrelevant. The point is to lower the cost of essentials for consumers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: NO MEANS NO !!! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47061650 Some of the comments on there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: NO MEANS NO !!! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47061650 I'm waiting for the day when a stray microphone picks ups Barnier, or Tusk... murmering... "They can gtf....." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If we declare zero tariffs on all food imports why would any other country feel the need to reciprocate? Would we be able to trust these Johnny Foreigner types? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: NO MEANS NO !!! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47061650 Who won the fucking war? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 Who won the fucking war?Amercica but not the Vietnam one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Barnier should suggest a United Ireland as a way to break the deadlock. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 Barnier should suggest a United Ireland as a way to break the deadlock. That would be splendid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Who won the fucking war?Russia did. America stole the glory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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