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Pound falls as the penny drops., 1.2858 vs the $. 


It will be ok somebody bought an audi or something like that

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11 minutes ago, Michael W said:

That'll be the manifesto commitment to protect Britain's place in the single market in the bin, then. 

Where is the commitment in the manifesto to protect Britain's place in the Single Market?

The section of the EU (page 73) stated that the Government would respect the result of the referendum.

"We will legislate in the rst session of the next Parliament for an in-out referendum to be held on Britain’s membership of the EU before the end of 2017. We will negotiate a new settlement for Britain in the EU. And then we will ask the British people whether they want to stay in on this basis, or leave. We will honour the result of the referendum, whatever the outcome."

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1 hour ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Where is the commitment in the manifesto to protect Britain's place in the Single Market?

The section of the EU (page 73) stated that the Government would respect the result of the referendum.

"We will legislate in the rst session of the next Parliament for an in-out referendum to be held on Britain’s membership of the EU before the end of 2017. We will negotiate a new settlement for Britain in the EU. And then we will ask the British people whether they want to stay in on this basis, or leave. We will honour the result of the referendum, whatever the outcome."

I don't think pages 72 and 73 really leave much in doubt to the Conservative position on the single market - wholeheartedly in favour of it. The exact phrase seems to be "safeguard British interests in the single market" - interests that we are about to consign to the bin. 

The government has indicated it will respect the vote. The vote was however to leave the EU, not the single market. 

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15 minutes ago, Michael W said:

I don't think pages 72 and 73 really leave much in doubt to the Conservative position on the single market - wholeheartedly in favour of it. The exact phrase seems to be "safeguard British interests in the single market" - interests that we are about to consign to the bin. 

The government has indicated it will respect the vote. The vote was however to leave the EU, not the single market. 

Cameron was committed to EU membership. He did not expect the Leave campaign to win the referendum. The manifesto reflected that commitment and was based on the assumption of continued EU membership. 

There was no commitment to staying in the Single Market if Britain voted to Leave the EU. May, as far as I am aware, has not ruled out Single Market/EEA membership as an EFTA member. Davis was slapped down for doing so. No commitments have been put in the bin as you suggested earlier.

 

 

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The manifesto made commitments to the single market to protect British interests and also made clear the Conservatives support Britain being in it. It says nothing at all about this being conditional upon EU membership, and nor does it actually say anywhere that the Conservatives want to continue with EU membership. Instead, it talks about renegotiation and putting the vote to the public. The phrasing is very neutral, but not so on the single market where it's clear they support it. 

The single market and EU membership are not mutually exclusive. You have a commitment for the former but not the latter, despite the incumbent PM's support for EU membership. The noises coming out of No.10 at the moment seem to indicate a "hard Brexit" is the likely course of action, given the content of what's been said. Unless this is a ruse to pull the wool over the eyes of the more eager Leavers in the Tory party or the media (and it would be very foolish to do this), I'm not sure why May would run with it. 

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^ It would be possible to have tariff free access to the Single Market without freedom of movement. Turkey has such a deal now and is also party to the proposed EU/US TTIP agreement. "Hard Brexit" is a myth as it's not in the EU interests to give Britain a worse deal than Turkey's.

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So if Brexit is being triggered by March at the latest. We'll then see how the polls react in the coming months and if its a big swing to YES, Salmonds prediction could be right.

Genuinely still can't believe how all of this has played out so far, if we have another Indyref the ScotNats need to win or it's over for the next 30 years imo and I'll be getting a one way ticket out of here.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

^ It would be possible to have tariff free access to the Single Market without freedom of movement. Turkey has such a deal now and is also party to the proposed EU/US TTIP agreement. "Hard Brexit" is a myth as it's not in the EU interests to give Britain a worse deal than Turkey's.

Turkey's deal is only for goods, not services.  Given the make up of our economy, to describe this as anything other than hard is completely mis-selling it.

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24 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

So if Brexit is being triggered by March at the latest. We'll then see how the polls react in the coming months and if its a big swing to YES, Salmonds prediction could be right.

Genuinely still can't believe how all of this has played out so far, if we have another Indyref the ScotNats need to win or it's over for the next 30 years imo and I'll be getting a one way ticket out of here.

 

 

Let's not forget the court case is later this month, which will determine whether brexit was legally binding and whether it may need a vote by MP's.

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1 hour ago, Bishop Briggs said:

^ It would be possible to have tariff free access to the Single Market without freedom of movement. Turkey has such a deal now and is also party to the proposed EU/US TTIP agreement. "Hard Brexit" is a myth as it's not in the EU interests to give Britain a worse deal than Turkey's.

Wee Bully had covered this one already - the Turkey deal would be a disaster for Britain given the makeup of our exports. It works for the EU brilliantly, however. 

Additionally, Turkey hasn't decided to leave the EU and doesn't have a massive financial services sector that may suddenly like to relocate some operations should an unfavourable trade deal materialise. It is entirely in the EU's interest to absorb some economic damage with a poor deal as it will disencourage other countries from leaving and the damage to the UK will be greater than whatever the EU suffers. 

Britian's best hope outside the single market is some sort of CETA arrangement - a deal that took 8 years to negotiate, is not in force yet and is currently facing opposition in some quarters, notably in Germany where it's going to the constitutional court. 

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48 minutes ago, zidane's child said:

Let's not forget the court case is later this month, which will determine whether brexit was legally binding and whether it may need a vote by MP's.

The vote wasn't legally binding as the Referendum Act didn't make it so. 

The court case is to determine whether or not the royal prerogative can be excercised by the PM herself in invoking Article 50, or if Parliamently approval is required. 

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18 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

 

 


Yup, and the Scots will just bend over and take it up the arse. Pathetic

 

Yes, far better to ignore the 17 million people who voted Leave......Who are they anyway ? I only know a handful of them so they are irrelevant non-entities and we will just ignore them......Good Plan !

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Yes, far better to ignore the 17 million people who voted Leave......Who are they anyway ? I only know a handful of them so they are irrelevant non-entities and we will just ignore them......Good Plan !




Whereas you would rather ignore the will of 65% of the Scottish electorate because you're a British nationalist.

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Just now, AUFC90 said:

 

 

 

 


Whereas you would rather ignore the will of 65% of the Scottish electorate because you're a British nationalist.

 

 

 As you well know, that is a completely spurious argument because it was a UK wide vote.

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3 minutes ago, McSpreader said:

 As you well know, that is a completely spurious argument because it was a UK wide vote.

"Scotland: know your limits."

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11 minutes ago, Antlion said:

"Scotland: know your limits."

No......Scotland voted No to independence and to remain with rUK and all that goes with that but you fail to factor that in to your consciousness and you've done the same with the EU referendum.

You need to wake up to reality.

Brexit is coming and no-one truly knows what that will be like. It certainly won't be the disaster Remainers say. I'm just glad The UK is in charge of it's own destiny again instead of being dictated to from Brussels by unelected bureacrats, commissioners and judges , most of whom have probably never set foot in the UK, let alone Scotland.

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2 minutes ago, McSpreader said:

No......Scotland voted No to independence and to remain with rUK and all that goes with that but you fail to factor that in to your consciousness and you've done the same with the EU referendum.

You need to wake up to reality.

Brexit is coming and no-one truly knows what that will be like. It certainly won't be the disaster Remainers say. I'm just glad The UK is in charge of it's own destiny again instead of being dictated to from Brussels by unelected bureacrats, commissioners and judges , most of whom have probably never set foot in the UK, let alone Scotland.

And Scotland then elected a party that reserved the right to reopen the independence question if Scots voted for the UK to remain a part of the world's largest trading block and England and Wales voted for the UK to leave it. You need to wake up to that reality.

You never know: Scotland might just choose to be in charge of its own destiny again instead of being dictated to from London by appointed ministers, lords and Tories. You certainly make autonomy sound delicious. Why wouldn't Scotland have the big brass balls to go for it?

 

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10 minutes ago, Antlion said:

And Scotland then elected a party that reserved the right to reopen the independence question if Scots voted for the UK to remain a part of the world's largest trading block and England and Wales voted for the UK to leave it. You need to wake up to that reality.

You never know: Scotland might just choose to be in charge of its own destiny again instead of being dictated to from London by appointed ministers, lords and Tories. You certainly make autonomy sound delicious. Why wouldn't Scotland have the big brass balls to go for it?

 

Because most Scottish Citizens are intelligent enough to realise the Scotland is far better off on many, many levels by staying within the UK. The people of the UK didn't vote to leave the trading block per se as we will still continue to trade with the EU and them with us, just under a different set of arrangements. What we did vote for was to leave the political union and to detach ourselves from the European Empire. Scotland would do a lot better if people like yourself put their energy into getting the best out of the Union and by standing up for Scotland WITHIN the UK. If our political system needs reform ( Abolish the H.o. Lords, proportional representation at Westminster, more devolved powers) then put your energy into that campaign. .........Btw the biggest trading block isn't the EU , its the Rest of the World.

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Just now, McSpreader said:

Because most Scottish Citizens are intelligent enough to realise the Scotland is far better off on many, many levels by staying within the UK. The people of the UK didn't vote to leave the trading block per se as we will still continue to trade with the EU and them with us, just under a different set of arrangements. What we did vote for was to leave the political union and to detach ourselves from the European Empire. Scotland would do a lot better if people like yourself put their energy into getting the best out of the Union and by standing up for Scotland WITHIN the UK. If our political system needs reform ( Abolish the H.o. Lords, proportional representation at Westminster, more devolved powers) then put your energy into that campaign. .........Btw the biggest trading block isn't the EU , its the Rest of the World.

Scotland: know your limits.

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