renton Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Even more reason why it's imperative to agree terms before any possible divorce agreement is put to the electorate. This is surely the lesson to be learned from the Brexit debacle? Well no, because this is not business, this is politics. The UK government is not going to gift the Scottish government the appearance of acquiescence to an Indy agenda by negotiating aspects of Indy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 51 minutes ago, Ross. said: Far from ignorant. Disingenuous is closer. Changes his avatar to an Israeli flag following a few posts about the subject. I will stick with ignorant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Steady now. You'll be calling me a 'foreigner' shortly. Yawn. I don't care who you are. Every time you appear, I never feel that I've learnt anything interesting or useful. Your sense of entitlement does indeed drip from just about every pore. Edited June 7, 2019 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, renton said: The UK government is not going to gift the Scottish government the appearance of acquiescence to an Indy agenda by negotiating aspects of Indy. Yet Brexit is foundering on this very same issue. How comfortable are you to repeat this wrt a possible IR2? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Why would he choose to troll anywhere else with the clear success his trolling is getting here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Yet Brexit is foundering on this very same issue. How comfortable are you to repeat this wrt a possible IR2? The UK government will not even begin to engage with such topics until sometime after a successful poll on the issue. The Scottish government can of course set out it's initial negotiating position, and indeed did so previously, with promises to pay it's share of UK debt, and with suggestions on divisions of assets. Beyond that you would seem to be suggesting that since UK government engagement is a necessary prerequisite to having the poll, that therefore the question never get's asked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, renton said: Beyond that you would seem to be suggesting that since UK government engagement is a necessary prerequisite to having the poll, that therefore the question never get's asked. Necessary? No. Sensible? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Necessary? No. Sensible? Yes. Well, it's the UK government that in your case is behaving nonsensically. Just another good reason to get the hell out of dodge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 minute ago, renton said: Well, it's the UK government that in your case is behaving nonsensically. How the f**k is it 'my case'? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Someone's been at the gin early today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: How the f**k is it 'my case'? It's the case you've put forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, renton said: It's the case you've put forward. My case was prosaically simple: Agree divorce and accession terms with Westminster and Brussels and present it to the electorate of Scotland. There's nothing objectionable about that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: simple You've got that right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: My case was prosaically simple: Agree divorce and accession terms with Westminster and Brussels and present it to the electorate of Scotland. There's nothing objectionable about that. Never said there was. Only pointing out that the UK government is, by your definition of this being a sensible option, behaving nonsensically as it's a fact that they would not engage with the Scottish government on any such settlement prior to holding a poll that resulted in us (Scotland) voting for independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: You don't live in Scotland. You're a foreigner. All Scots who live in other other countries are ex-pats. Moving to another country does not change your nationality. If or when Scotland becomes independent, would you propose that Scots who live in other countries should lose their Scottish nationality, right to citizenship and a Scottish passport? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Someone's been at the gin early today. The Buckie is more likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Kinkys hurting after his big team got beat last night so most pobably drowning his sorrows 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Going to respectfully disagree it's none of my business, likes. Yon Rangers boy might be acting like an absolute w**k, BUT IF YOU'D JUST IGNORE FOLK LIKE THAT* then the Saints lad might not have said something so utterly fucking stupid. Anyway, I'll be off to the Trump thread now which is the only place my opinion is valid. Spoiler *I may have put this point across before once or twice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: All Scots who live in other other countries are ex-pats. Moving to another country does not change your nationality. If or when Scotland becomes independent, would you propose that Scots who live in other countries should lose their Scottish nationality, right to citizenship and a Scottish passport? Depends if they are counter-revolutionaries or they're willing to toe the party line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Tibs lingo is off but the fundamental point's fine tbh. No vote = none of your business. So Trump is none of our business because we don't vote in America? Similarly, the Mayor of London elections are none of our business? Or are you just talking out of your arse? Edited June 7, 2019 by Bishop Briggs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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