Fullerene Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: I will no doubt get personal criticism for posting this, but here goes. Polls have shown that there are a fair number of people who voted for Brexit who admitted that it was a mistake. Same polls suggest that Remain would now win by a comfortable (?)margin. This is particularly the case amongst Labour voters which really calls into question Starmer’s position on the issue. In 2016 a large number of Labour voters were given no guidance from Corbyn on which way to vote and not surprisingly some of them voted Leave. That is my criticism of him. Now, Starmer is adopting the same tactic as Blair - "these votes are from people who usually vote Tory - let's not upset them!" Also frustrating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Didn't you also recently suggest Granny that what is said before elections and what actually happens afterwards can be different things ? Yeah I did and I stand by it. If you’re suggesting Starmer might change Labour’s position following an election then fair enough; personally I think it’s unlikely. My point is he’s more chance of winning back Labour voters, and would have more credibility, if he took a more positive position on Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: I will no doubt get personal criticism for posting this, but here goes. Polls have shown that there are a fair number of people who voted for Brexit who admitted that it was a mistake. Same polls suggest that Remain would now win by a comfortable (?)margin. This is particularly the case amongst Labour voters which really calls into question Starmer’s position on the issue. As a brexiteer you show no shame! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah I did and I stand by it. If you’re suggesting Starmer might change Labour’s position following an election then fair enough; personally I think it’s unlikely. My point is he’s more chance of winning back Labour voters, and would have more credibility, if he took a more positive position on Brexit. At the moment there are too many people (in England especially) who think any criticism of Brexit is unpatriotic. They actually voted for Boris Johnson because he got stuck on a zip line in a Union Jack suit - no guessing what country he is proud to be part of - even if he looked a fool. Starmer does not need to be more positive. Just more neutral - "you said Brexit would be brilliant. Show me." Unfortunately he has to pretend it is a great idea. He also needs to convince people of his sincerity. Not sure how you do that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Fullerene said: At the moment there are too many people (in England especially) who think any criticism of Brexit is unpatriotic. They actually voted for Boris Johnson because he got stuck on a zip line in a Union Jack suit - no guessing what country he is proud to be part of - even if he looked a fool. Starmer does not need to be more positive. Just more neutral - "you said Brexit would be brilliant. Show me." Unfortunately he has to pretend it is a great idea. He also needs to convince people of his sincerity. Not sure how you do that? Like I said, the polls suggest that a sufficient number of those Labour voters who previously supported Brexit no longer do so. In addition there were quite a few more Labour voters in the 2019 GE who voted Remain than voted Leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah I did and I stand by it. If you’re suggesting Starmer might change Labour’s position following an election then fair enough; personally I think it’s unlikely. My point is he’s more chance of winning back Labour voters, and would have more credibility, if he took a more positive position on Brexit. Which Labour voters does he need to win back? I don't think Labour's strategy is sophisticated, but there's no point competing with the Lib Dems on Remainer/Rejoining ground. They'd likely split the vote as in 2019 and let the gammons claim a landslide. Whereas if there was an election tomorrow the Tories could lose 40 seats or more to the Lib Dems just cornering that pro-European/anti-government vote in the southwest and other target areas. Starmer's 'strategy' is clearly based on burying Brexit for now to flip enough red wall seats and a handful in the South for a hung parliament/minority government. It might be a piss-poor decision on principle and certainly in terms of statesmanship, but it is actually better calibrated to turfing the Tories out at the next election. Edited July 22, 2022 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Left Back said: It's not really incumbent on the French to staff up their border points to meet demand from the UK. They could have 1 guy there working part time if they wanted to. How they man their border points is up to them. The onus was certainly on the gammons to think about the perils of letting the French run a service at their own pace, before insisting on bilateral border and customs checks. Not sure what they thought would happen. Quote It's in their interest to facilitate tourists entering their country and having a good experience that makes them want to return though. The vast majority of visitors to France are either coming from the Schengen zone or flying in from the US or other third party countries. The Channel ports are therefore completely insignificant to France's reputation as a tourist destination but crucial to facilitating the Great Gammon Getaway every July. Which makes this story absolutely fucking hilarious. Edited July 22, 2022 by vikingTON 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Caledonian1 said: fair comment.....mis-read You could read "farmers who campaigned for Brexit" two ways, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 Torries blaming the pesky frogs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Torries blaming the pesky frogs That's Aberdonians for you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Torries blaming the pesky frogs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Torries blaming the pesky frogs Firing up my Spit as I type!....."CHOCS AWAY!" *Asi said on new tory leader thread.....Ch732...LBC Radio...Nick Abbot....NOW!!! Edited July 22, 2022 by TONTROOPER 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 I'm amazed Nick Abbot is still alive/a thing. I used to listen to the radio Luxembourg phone-in show back in the day. You've never lived until you've listened to a Norwegian hippy covering Slayer's "Angel of Death" on a xylophone, live, on an AM radio channel at 1am in the morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Thinking their 2 week holiday in a caravan park in Brittany and buying cheap booze props up the French economy is peak Brexit voting, Daily Mail gammon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: I'm amazed Nick Abbot is still alive/a thing. I used to listen to the radio Luxembourg phone-in show back in the day. You've never lived until you've listened to a Norwegian hippy covering Slayer's "Angel of Death" on a xylophone, live, on an AM radio channel at 1am in the morning. You're right....I havent........but on the plus side I saw Hendrix playing a xylophone with his teeth!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, TONTROOPER said: You're right....I havent........but on the plus side I saw Hendrix playing a xylophone with his teeth!!! Beat that Dame Evelyn Glennie, you useless phoney. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: Beat that Dame Evelyn Glennie, you useless phoney. lol....be kind.Evelyn Glennie is one of our best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 So just to be clear, the people who voted to have a hard border with France are now unhappy that there is a hard border with France? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, RiG said: So just to be clear, the people who voted to have a hard border with France are now unhappy that there is a hard border with France? Boris Becker's big pal, Andrew Castle, saying on LBC that the French need to do much more to speed up the process for Brits entering France and be more welcoming. "We fought in the war for the likes of them, didn't we" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 hours ago, RiG said: So just to be clear, the people who voted to have a hard border with France are now unhappy that there is a hard border with France? To be fair, they expected it hard in one direction only. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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