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Soon we'll making our own Great British semiconductors again, surely. None of this foreign muck. We did just fine with the 48K Spectrum, manufactured from Great British parts!*

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36 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit

Pat Gelsinger told the BBC that before the UK left the EU, the country "would have been a site that we would have considered".


https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/dZ5pth

Another Brexit bonus.

 

Heard a comment on a radio phone-in programme from someone saying :

What does it matter, we can't get any fish now, either.

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Soon we'll making our own Great British semiconductors again, surely. None of this foreign muck. We did just fine with the 48K Spectrum, manufactured from Great British parts!*
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Should I look out my old ZX81 from my parents loft and a cassette player to load the programs! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit

Pat Gelsinger told the BBC that before the UK left the EU, the country "would have been a site that we would have considered".


https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/dZ5pth

Another Brexit bonus.

Tbf, that was always going to end up in Southern Germany. That's just where the eco system of EU large scale semiconductor manufacturing already exists (Global Foundries, TI, Infineon, XFAB, Fraunhofer institute so the talent pool is already there... as well as proximity to tool vendors like Carl Zeiss and ASML in the Negherlands)and where they are going to invest billions to bring chip production back. The UK even in the EU wouldn't have done that.

What's more worrying is what the UK government decides to do about the proposed sale of ARM to Nvidia.

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1 hour ago, BFTD said:

Soon we'll making our own Great British semiconductors again, surely. None of this foreign muck. We did just fine with the 48K Spectrum, manufactured from Great British parts!*

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I was reading about a possible factory in Wales. Here's hoping because ARM shows we have the talent but as usual it gets hoovered up by foreign companies.

 

Unlike a lot of folk I don't want the country to go to dogshit just so I can act smug.

 

Although (disclosure) I couldn't because I voted for Brexit. In my defence I wanted an independent Scotland with it's own currency and in the EFTA like Norway and thought it would be better to leave the political union and remain in the economic union.

I didn't think we'd be mental enough to stop freedom of movement and all the other good parts to do with the lack of trade barriers.

 

I was obviously wrong and as the first to admit I was a fucking idiot. Not for the first or last time in my life I guess

 

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30 minutes ago, renton said:

What's more worrying is what the UK government decides to do about the proposed sale of ARM to Nvidia.

I actually thought ARM had been sold off years ago.

12 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

I didn't think we'd be mental enough to stop freedom of movement and all the other good parts to do with the lack of trade barriers.

Yeah, man, that was the #1 reason why the vote was even held in the first place. We'd still be in the EU if they'd agreed to keep taking patriotic British retirees who hated living in Britain and stop insisting we allow damned dirty foreigners to move here.

They aren't stupid and/or insane, however.

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8 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I actually thought ARM had been sold off years ago.

Yeah, man, that was the #1 reason why the vote was even held in the first place. We'd still be in the EU if they'd agreed to keep taking patriotic British retirees who hated living in Britain and stop insisting we allow damned dirty foreigners to move here.

They aren't stupid and/or insane, however.

Bought by Softbank in 2016... Theresa May said it showed the UK was open for business, as if letting your best assets be bought up was somehow a good thing.

However, the proposed sale by Softbank to Nvidia would disrupt ARM'S business model, probably cause Nvidia's direct competitors like Intel to move away from licensing ARM architecture in favour favour their home grown efforts and would see ARM shrink in ambition to being a small part of Nvidia instead of the big player it is now.

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33 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

I was reading about a possible factory in Wales. Here's hoping because ARM shows we have the talent but as usual it gets hoovered up by foreign companies.

 

Unlike a lot of folk I don't want the country to go to dogshit just so I can act smug.

 

Although (disclosure) I couldn't because I voted for Brexit. In my defence I wanted an independent Scotland with it's own currency and in the EFTA like Norway and thought it would be better to leave the political union and remain in the economic union.

I didn't think we'd be mental enough to stop freedom of movement and all the other good parts to do with the lack of trade barriers.

 

I was obviously wrong and as the first to admit I was a fucking idiot. Not for the first or last time in my life I guess

 

There is still a fairly large fab in Newport, as well as smaller, specialised fabs elsewhere including Greenock and Glenrothes but nothing on the scale that would it as attractive as Germany. Intel into the UK would be a total non starter.

There is still a lot of device and chip level design talent in the UK, but not so much on the fabrication side, not on that scale. ARM don't make chips, they design the architecture and license it out. Similar business model in a lot of places - the capital costs of building your own clean room facility are prohibitive. So most companies use the fabless route and do chip design in one place and partner up with a pure play fab elsewhere to make them.

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4 minutes ago, renton said:

Bought by Softbank in 2016... Theresa May said it showed the UK was open for business, as if letting your best assets be bought up was somehow a good thing.

Well, selling off the family jewels has been the UK's mantra for at least as long as I've been alive.

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2 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Well, selling off the family jewels has been the UK's mantra for at least as long as I've been alive.

I read about some biologists who discovered the world's oldest clam - nearly 400 years old, however, to make that  discovery they took it out the water, and pryed open the shell to count the layers to make that determination. Thus killing it pan breid.

Best metaphor for how the UK judges thr success of it's companies I can think of.

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22 hours ago, Suspect Device said:

 

 

Unlike a lot of folk I don't want the country to go to dogshit just so I can act smug.

 

 

 

I'm in two minds about this. I don't want people to suffer just so that I can say "I told you so". But I do hope that the food and fuel shortages knocks the hubris out of the little Englander gammon types.

Farage stood up in Brussels and mouthed off a load of "you need us more than we need you" shite. Reality needs to set in for the people who lapped that pish up.

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5 minutes ago, Paul Kersey said:
22 hours ago, Suspect Device said:

 

Unlike a lot of folk I don't want the country to go to dogshit just so I can act smug.

 

I'm in two minds about this. I don't want people to suffer just so that I can say "I told you so". But I do hope that the food and fuel shortages knocks the hubris out of the little Englander gammon types.

Farage stood up in Brussels and mouthed off a load of "you need us more than we need you" shite. Reality needs to set in for the people who lapped that pish up.

It's more about getting people to accept the realities of the global economy and the self harm isolating yourself has and will do to the majority of this countries citizens. 

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I'm in two minds about this. I don't want people to suffer just so that I can say "I told you so". But I do hope that the food and fuel shortages knocks the hubris out of the little Englander gammon types.
Farage stood up in Brussels and mouthed off a load of "you need us more than we need you" shite. Reality needs to set in for the people who lapped that pish up.
The problem is that for those losers getting rid of Johnny Foreigner was more important than anything else. All that's happening now is that these same racist losers are now demanding everyone else fill the personnel gaps resulting from their own bigotry. They'll never accept they were wrong.
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It's a shame some of the harm caused by Brexit has been submerged into the general disarray from Covid, so the numbskulls can point to other countries problems and pretend that our mess has nothing to do with Brexit. 

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53 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

It's a shame some of the harm caused by Brexit has been submerged into the general disarray from Covid, so the numbskulls can point to other countries problems and pretend that our mess has nothing to do with Brexit. 

There will always be something, though. Without COVID, all problems would be down to Britain being shafted by the evil EU; just as well we left as they've proven they can't be trusted, etc.

For a substantial minority, this nose amputation will never, ever have been a fundamentally terrible idea. Better to die "free", with a wounded economy and eroded rights, than live under the yoke of EU law (ninety-odd percent of which we voted for).

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1 hour ago, Day of the Lords said:
1 hour ago, Paul Kersey said:
I'm in two minds about this. I don't want people to suffer just so that I can say "I told you so". But I do hope that the food and fuel shortages knocks the hubris out of the little Englander gammon types.
Farage stood up in Brussels and mouthed off a load of "you need us more than we need you" shite. Reality needs to set in for the people who lapped that pish up.

The problem is that for those losers getting rid of Johnny Foreigner was more important than anything else. All that's happening now is that these same racist losers are now demanding everyone else fill the personnel gaps resulting from their own bigotry. They'll never accept they were wrong.

Just where are those thousands of poor Brits that were forced out of work because of immigrants willing to work for slave wages? They were poised to flood the fields of Britain last I heard.

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