coprolite Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 On 28/04/2021 at 18:16, Pato said: Great! What is that reason? Exports are a tiny proportion of production so any effect would be small. Imports have also got more expensive so there is upwards pressure on prices too, and the net effect of the opposing forces is hard to determine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Part of problem is the fishing rights under examination did seem a bit lopsided towards EU imo, Brexit clearly hasnt been the solution for fixing that but is it the case the quotas were in EUs countries like France and Hollands favour unfairly. Which if true ofcourse was done by westminister itself when they agreed it in the 70's but it does give the fisherman a legit case to be complaining about. Im no expert im just going on my own reading of it so whats others opinions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: Part of problem is the fishing rights under examination did seem a bit lopsided towards EU imo, Brexit clearly hasnt been the solution for fixing that but is it the case the quotas were in EUs countries like France and Hollands favour unfairly. Which if true ofcourse was done by westminister itself when they agreed it in the 70's but it does give the fisherman a legit case to be complaining about. Im no expert im just going on my own reading of it so whats others opinions? The CFP was basically seen as a maritime equivalent of a land grab by the british fleet, with some justification. It didn't matter whose national waters the fish were in, they were EU property to be fished in proportion to historical catches. For white fish in particular this meant that the stocks in the UK territorial waters were shared with the Spanish (in particular) who'd exhausted their waters. That was deemed worthwhile for the economy as a whole to have access to the common market. I'm sure that judgement had nothing to do with the location of the fishing ports. A more insidious and in my view damaging impact was that we'd traditionally not fished sand eels but the Danes love using them to feed their battery pigs. So the huge stocks in the North Sea got fished out. Unfortunately they were a major component in the food web and fed cod, haddock and a load of seabirds. White fish stocks won't recover without them. So in my partially informed opinion, the UK fleet and communities have legitimate cause to feel like they've been ridden by the EU lube free for years. Why they thought that a Tory Government, with market access for financial services to protect, would ever give a shit about them is anyone's guess. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Catching the fish/shellfish anywhere in "British" waters is one thing... being allowed to sell them to any country in the EU is another. It doesn't matter how much more we can pull out of the water unless there is a market. To help the dudes out we have been buying "variety packs" of fish (and cheese, for that matter) from Scottish suppliers by mail order and I'd encourage other to do the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, coprolite said: The CFP was basically seen as a maritime equivalent of a land grab by the british fleet, with some justification. It didn't matter whose national waters the fish were in, they were EU property to be fished in proportion to historical catches. For white fish in particular this meant that the stocks in the UK territorial waters were shared with the Spanish (in particular) who'd exhausted their waters. That was deemed worthwhile for the economy as a whole to have access to the common market. I'm sure that judgement had nothing to do with the location of the fishing ports. A more insidious and in my view damaging impact was that we'd traditionally not fished sand eels but the Danes love using them to feed their battery pigs. So the huge stocks in the North Sea got fished out. Unfortunately they were a major component in the food web and fed cod, haddock and a load of seabirds. White fish stocks won't recover without them. So in my partially informed opinion, the UK fleet and communities have legitimate cause to feel like they've been ridden by the EU lube free for years. Why they thought that a Tory Government, with market access for financial services to protect, would ever give a shit about them is anyone's guess. Indeed. It is some political masterstroke to be the party that sold out the fishermen when originally signing up to the CFP, to then be the party that blames the CFP / EU for all its troubles that have happened since, to then go on and be the party that fucks them over with a shit Brexit deal. And still a good percentage of these coastal communities will give it the - Tories are b*****ds, but you've got to stand back and admire the brass neck that allows them to convince simpletons they have their best interests at heart. Edited May 4, 2021 by wirez 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 UK to send two Royal Navy ships to Jersey after France threatens blockade of island port https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-send-two-royal-navy-boats-to-jersey-after-france-threatens-blockade-of-island-port-12297840 Apparently Brexit has sent us so far back in time that we're back to using gunboat diplomacy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Are we at war with France yet? Is this actually Brexit related? Were the Channel Islands ever part of the EU as I am sure I have been on ferries to Cherbourg that had signs saying Duty Free was only available on sailings to the Channel Isles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Are we at war with France yet? Would have been some laugh if this agreement was still in placehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-11174778 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I have literally no idea what’s going on in Jersey. It all seems completely mad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I have literally no idea what’s going on in Jersey. It all seems completely mad. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/06/what-jersey-fishing-rights-dispute-boris-johnson-patrol-boats?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I have literally no idea what’s going on in Jersey. It all seems completely mad. Where's Bergerac when you need him. Biggest story since the German occupation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Where's Bergerac when you need him. Biggest story since the Haute de La Garenne child abuse scandal. FTFY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 FTFY. Fair point, forgot about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 The EU the largest trading Bloc in the world, Nah, you're thinking of the African Continental Free Trade Area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 We went to Jersey years ago. Some c..t in a restaurant cloned my card. F...k 'em. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Paco said: I have literally no idea what’s going on in Jersey. It all seems completely mad. Gun boats out. It’s top notch wanking material for gammons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Gun boats out. It’s top notch wanking material for gammons. Sun's oot, gun boats oot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 18 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: UK to send two Royal Navy ships to Jersey after France threatens blockade of island port https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-send-two-royal-navy-boats-to-jersey-after-france-threatens-blockade-of-island-port-12297840 Apparently Brexit has sent us so far back in time that we're back to using gunboat diplomacy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Daily Mail goes full on Dad's Army 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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