Left Back Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If there had been no deal on tariffs they would likely have pulled out. No doubt about it. Exporting into the EU with tariffs would have killed their sales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: No doubt about it. Exporting into the EU with tariffs would have killed their sales. And all the to and fro of parts etc getting charged in both directions. I wonder if they'll get a waiver on all the extra import/export and VAT charges that small companies are facing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If there had been no deal on tariffs they would likely have pulled out. Yep. And if Sunderland was struck off the face off the Earth by an asteroid, they'd have pulled out as well. Calling this "as a result of Brexit" is dressing up a draw as a win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 There’s something about the Nissan announcement that doesn’t ring true. It’s like they’re claiming that they can now do something they couldn’t have done without Brexit. I don’t see it. If there’s any side deals courtesy of the U.K. government surely they will need to be made clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Only cost the government 61mill of taxpayers cash 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, doulikefish said: Only cost the government 61mill of taxpayers cash Governments provide grants and incentives to companies all the time to attract investment. Standard practice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 12/01/2021 at 22:51, Billy Jean King said: On 12/01/2021 at 22:10, MixuFruit said: Venison and fish prices are dropping like a stone and yet last time I went to the supermarket there was virtually no venison other than sausages that are half pork anyway and half the seafood was farmed in Vietnam. There's an opportunity to be had here. Wholesale prices that is. Absolutely no sign of cheaper fish at our local fishmonger yet. Asked our fish man today about it, said he's paying the same, it's the processors who are getting all the benefit. Lying c**t probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 Asked our fish man today about it, said he's paying the same, it's the processors who are getting all the benefit. Lying c**t probably.Boot up the baws for your Uber rich Fish man m8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: There’s something about the Nissan announcement that doesn’t ring true. It’s like they’re claiming that they can now do something they couldn’t have done without Brexit. I don’t see it. If there’s any side deals courtesy of the U.K. government surely they will need to be made clear. This. My first thought was that something behind the scenes has happened as a prelude to this 'ice cream and jelly' annoiuncement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gordon EF said: I'm not sure the batteries being moved are "a result of Brexit", as in, it sounds like something they'd have done whether the UK was in or out. It quite clearly is a result of brexit. The only way Nissan can export the cars to the EU tarrif free is to ensure that sufficient parts come from the EU or UK. Nissan currently makes the lower capacity batteries in the UK and will add their higher capacity to ensure that they meet the 55% rule. It was over-all a very encouraging and positive statement from Nissan. https://www.ft.com/content/d2489ca9-0327-4a85-88c8-d6e7ca4eca55 Edited January 22, 2021 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: This. My first thought was that something behind the scenes has happened as a prelude to this 'ice cream and jelly' annoiuncement. Well quite, it couldn't be down to the reasons that the company stated as that isn't in line with P & B groupthink. 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: Only cost the government 61mill of taxpayers cash Better value than half a dozen faulty masks and a non-existant ferry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, strichener said: It quite clearly is a result of brexit. The only way Nissan can export the cars to the EU tarrif free is to ensure that sufficient parts come from the EU or UK. Nissan currently makes the lower capacity batteries in the UK and will add their higher capacity to ensure that they meet the 55% rule. It was over-all a very encouraging and positive statement from Nissan. https://www.ft.com/content/d2489ca9-0327-4a85-88c8-d6e7ca4eca55 I'm not even sure if you're being serious here. If Brexit had not happened, the UK would be in the EU and so Sunderland would still have satisfied the rule about parts from the EU or UK. Nothing about Brexit made this more favourable for Nissan, it's just that the specifics of the trade deal meant that Brexit didn't make it more unfavourable. Edited January 22, 2021 by Gordon EF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 It quite clearly is a result of brexit. The only way Nissan can export the cars to the EU tarrif free is to ensure that sufficient parts come from the EU or UK. Nissan currently makes the lower capacity batteries in the UK and will add their higher capacity to ensure that they meet the 55% rule. It was over-all a very encouraging and positive statement from Nissan. https://www.ft.com/content/d2489ca9-0327-4a85-88c8-d6e7ca4eca55Being able to do something they could do before is clearly not 'a result of Brexit'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I ate my lunch today as a result of Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon EF said: I'm not even sure if you're being serious here. If Brexit had not happened, the UK would be in the EU and so Sunderland would still have satisfied the rule about parts from the EU or UK. Nothing about Brexit made this more favourable for Nissan, it's just that the specifics of the trade deal meant that Brexit didn't make it more unfavourable. I'm not sure if you are playing dumb on purpose. Prior to Brexit there was no reason for Nissan to make their batteries in the UK as they were not subject to the need for their cars to be at least 55% sourced from the EU. Now that they do need to meet this requirement they are moving manufacture to the UK. This is a good thing and there is no indication from Nissan that this is anything other than to meet a new requirement brought about by Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: And all the to and fro of parts etc getting charged in both directions. I wonder if they'll get a waiver on all the extra import/export and VAT charges that small companies are facing? Most of the 'extra import/export and VAT charges that small companies are facing' are the result of cluelessness. If you import a Chinese coat from Germany, you pay import duties as if it came from China - not hard to understand. If the seller doesn't pay the UK VAT, you'll have to. Again, not hard to understand. Here's an article that reinforces a point widely disputed on here: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/annual-7-5bn-cost-of-eu-trade-as-bad-for-business-as-no-deal-brexit-jd7llrtb6 This deal is not much different from no deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, strichener said: I'm not sure if you are playing dumb on purpose. Prior to Brexit there was no reason for Nissan to make their batteries in the UK as they were not subject to the need for their cars to be at least 55% sourced from the EU. Now that they do need to meet this requirement they are moving manufacture to the UK. This is a good thing and there is no indication from Nissan that this is anything other than to meet a new requirement brought about by Brexit. Ah, get it now. Fair enough. There is no existing EU requirement for 55% of the value to be sourced from the EU but now that threshold has been imposed on British exports, that incentivises Nissan to move the battery manufacture to inside the EU/UK. Jesus, that is some convoluted shit and poorly explained in the BBC article. Chalk one up for Brexit I guess. Edited January 22, 2021 by Gordon EF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, strichener said: Well quite, it couldn't be down to the reasons that the company stated as that isn't in line with P & B groupthink. Better value than half a dozen faulty masks and a non-existant ferry. Me bad it is then. But remind me, how enthusiastic were Nissan about Brexit because I'm struggling to find some evidence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Gordon EF said: I ate my lunch today as a result of Brexit. There will be border crossing lorry drivers very jealous of this post. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Me bad it is then. But remind me, how enthusiastic were Nissan about Brexit because I'm struggling to find some evidence. They weren't that enthusiastic tbh. They now see it as not only a bullet dodged but as an opportunity to take market share from competitors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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