bendan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, HTG said: Nothing in these early stages suggests it'll be anything other than a clusterfuck. When Scotland gets independence, the entire English media will be scrambling for anything to fit a clusterfuck narrative. If most of what we hear is about rotting fruit, seafood and Percy Pig shortages, we'll be laughing. Things are going to be much more noticeably worse in the next few weeks with Brexit, but after that most people will just be carrying on pretty much as they were. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, bendan said: This is absolutely true, but it does make you wonder why a lot of supporters of independence have indulged in the whole Armageddon story over Brexit when the reality was never going to be like that. No Deal was the Armageddon story. It didn't happen, because Boris finally caved on the fish issue after transport through Dover got shut by Macron. Indy in 2014 could have led to that sort of outcome and the Yes camp were unable to convincingly address that for a lot of potential swing voters. It's close to a soft Brexit so far but all the extra red tape from not being in the Customs Union is going to strangle a lot of businesses that were orientated towards the EU market. Some sectors of the Scottish economy with fishing being the poster child ironically would probably benefit big time if Indy in 2021 provides rapid access back into the Customs Union. Others would definitely have to worry about what access to the England&Wales market would be like. What happens with NI and the RoI on that will determine how well scare stories resonate in future. Edited January 10, 2021 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: No Deal was the Armageddon story. It didn't happen, because Boris finally caved on the fish issue after transport through Dover got shut by Macron. It's close to a soft Brexit so far but all the extra red tape from not being in the Customs Union is going to strangle a lot of businesses that were orientated towards the EU market. If you look back through this thread, basically no-one was saying there wouldn't be much impact. This isn't a soft Brexit at all - there's not that much difference between this and no deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, bendan said: If you look back through this thread, basically no-one was saying there wouldn't be much impact. This isn't a soft Brexit at all - there's not that much difference between this and no deal. It's a huge difference between this and full scale WTO tariff rules. This just makes everything to do with mainland Europe annoying, from going on holiday to working, studying, buying and selling, there's another level of pointless paper work. And you can't just f**k off to a Greek Island for a year anymore without special permission. Everything's just a bit shittier, not a total shitfest like no deal would have been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, welshbairn said: It's a huge difference between this and full scale WTO tariff rules. This just makes everything to do with mainland Europe annoying, from going on holiday to working, studying, buying and selling, there's another level of pointless paper work. And you can't just f**k off to a Greek Island for a year anymore without special permission. Everything's just a bit shittier, not a total shitfest like no deal would have been. Under this deal, there are no tariffs but we still need to do customs declarations. Under WTO, there are tariffs on some products (most are tariff free) and the average tariff rate is something like 3 or 4%. It would have been brutal for agricultural exports but as they are already finding, the non-tariff barriers for agricultural exports are formidable too. We now get max 90 days out of 180 for tourism, which is precisely what the EU has for its no-deal WTO trading partners like the US, Australia and New Zealand. We're not in Erasmus, there are no arrangements for performing artists, financial and legal services and many more. We can't even take untouched EU merchandise from a UK warehouse on to the RoI. This is a hard Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, bendan said: Under this deal, there are no tariffs but we still need to do customs declarations. Under WTO, there are tariffs on some products (most are tariff free) and the average tariff rate is something like 3 or 4%. It would have been brutal for agricultural exports but as they are already finding, the non-tariff barriers for agricultural exports are formidable too. We now get max 90 days out of 180 for tourism, which is precisely what the EU has for its no-deal WTO trading partners like the US, Australia and New Zealand. We're not in Erasmus, there are no arrangements for performing artists, financial and legal services and many more. We can't even take untouched EU merchandise from a UK warehouse on to the RoI. This is a hard Brexit. I've not seen this discussed anywhere, but what is the situation with signing EU based footballers ? Is it only the elite clubs in the UK which will be ok as players will now need to be full internationals in order to gain a work permit ? or is there a waiver been agreed ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Stormzy said: I don't like oranges that much tbf. ^^^ Not a proper Rangers man imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Irish government sink their own fishing fleet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55566214 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I've not seen this discussed anywhere, but what is the situation with signing EU based footballers ? Is it only the elite clubs in the UK which will be ok as players will now need to be full internationals in order to gain a work permit ? or is there a waiver been agreed ?? It's all a bit up in the air at the moment and obviously will be until Covid is over but the uncertainty has led to one famous Scottish performer calling for a second referendum.... Quote Rod Stewart interview: ‘If I had my way I would definitely have a second Brexit referendum’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I've not seen this discussed anywhere, but what is the situation with signing EU based footballers ? Is it only the elite clubs in the UK which will be ok as players will now need to be full internationals in order to gain a work permit ? or is there a waiver been agreed ?? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/01/work-permits-for-eu-players-and-no-under-18-signings-in-post-brexit-regulations Something temporary was agreed for this January for Scotland: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/36621/12171542/scotland-to-retain-discretionary-appeals-panel-for-post-brexit-transfer-window 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 53 minutes ago, bendan said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/01/work-permits-for-eu-players-and-no-under-18-signings-in-post-brexit-regulations Something temporary was agreed for this January for Scotland: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/36621/12171542/scotland-to-retain-discretionary-appeals-panel-for-post-brexit-transfer-window So, in other words the elite will be fine (as always) but for everyone else they can forget signing an unknown Polish central defender or Swedish midfielder or French striker etc. I suspected as much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, WATTOO said: So, in other words the elite will be fine (as always) but for everyone else they can forget signing an unknown Polish central defender or Swedish midfielder or French striker etc. I suspected as much. Certainly looks that way in England. SFA says it's looking for a system appropriate to Scotland. One thing I don't understand is why they can't use the points based system to recruit footballers - the only issue is how you define the skill level for footballers, and whether they can speak English. Edited January 10, 2021 by bendan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, WATTOO said: So, in other words the elite will be fine (as always) but for everyone else they can forget signing an unknown Polish central defender or Swedish midfielder or French striker etc. I suspected as much. Sam Allardyce was in the press last week moaning that 3 potential transfers had fallen through as they couldn’t get work permits due to Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 Irish government sink their own fishing fleet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55566214I'm glad you recognise a 32 county United Ireland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 5 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Irish government sink their own fishing fleet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55566214 I'm glad you recognise a 32 county United Ireland "Greencastle skipper Liam O'Brien said the rule changes are "devastating" for the local based crews working Northern Ireland-registered vessels. "These boys have been kicked in the stomach by their own government. "It wasn't Boris Johnson or Arlene Foster or anyone else - it was their own government put up a hard border." Fishing boats registered in the Republic are still able to use facilities in Northern Ireland." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 09/01/2021 at 06:16, Theroadlesstravelled said: I can’t imagine what no deal Brexit would have been like. I should look at replies on twitter more The epitomy of "did ye, aye?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerla Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Left Back said: Sam Allardyce was in the press last week moaning that 3 potential transfers had fallen through as they couldn’t get work permits due to Brexit. Ironically he voted for Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Irish government sink their own fishing fleet https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55566214Why do pallet burners likes yourself, have such disdain toward Ireland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Skerla said: Ironically he voted for Brexit. Poor we lamb Sam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Prominent EU member France has managed to administer 352 vaccines, the UK has done 1,500 000. Not a peep from the BBC news, bed wetters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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