DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Absolutely. The SNP can't be seen to be playing politics. In the same vein, is the Labour party making a huge mistake by voting it down (if that's what happens)? It looks like they were never going to accept any deal that any tory pm got and that might affect them at the ballot box. The obvious thing for Labour to do is to accept so long as it goes to a referendum vs Remain. But this is Labour we're talking about. Another open goal and they are going to miss it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Well argued and consistent. The lack of commitment to retaining workers’, consumers’ and environmental protection in the proposed deal makes it harder for the Kinnock camp to give their support. Would you insist that any Labour MP should be sacked for voting for the deal if it was conditional on going to a confirmatory referendum versus Remain? Just curious. Edited October 17, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Well argued and consistent. The lack of commitment to retaining workers’, consumers’ and environmental protection in the proposed deal makes it harder for the Kinnock camp to give their support. Third time lucky... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Has anyone plugged in Corbyn today ? I'm hearing next to nothing from his direction. Is there a Farmers Market in Hackney or something ?The man is an utter joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 The man is an utter joke. What's he done today?He responded to it clearly, twice (once outside and once inside somewhere). Other than that, the detail is crucial and time is needed to go through it. What do you want him to do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 55 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Worries that the Government might try to use abortion rights to get the DUP to capitulate... They only really care about the Union. Everything else is secondary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, pandarilla said: What do you want him to do? Jump over the dispatch box and belt Rees Mogg and Johnson on their nappers with an empty Buckfast bottle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Jump over the dispatch box and belt Rees Mogg and Johnson on their nappers with an empty Buckfast bottle. Love to see that. If it was Blair it would be a Pimms bottle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 The DUP will not take any pay off now that the UVF have guns pointed at their heids. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Well argued and consistent. The lack of commitment to retaining workers’, consumers’ and environmental protection in the proposed deal makes it harder for the Kinnock camp to give their support.I find it ludicrous that you don't support this deal. You voted leave as it would speed up the Scottish independence journey. This deal will exactly do this, it also gives a blueprint to avoid a future hard border between Scotland (in EU) and England not. It's incredulous that you aren't supporting this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 This would be delicious 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 OK, the Forfar Dispatch newspaper isn't a barometer for the country, but Angus does have Kirstene 'don't ask me difficult questions' Hair as MP and many 'farmers'. Yet the front page lead headline is 'Shock findings of Brexit report' that says Angus is potentially one of the areas to be worst hit by Brexit. Hope it will help more people think about the state of UK and the idea of equal nations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 53 minutes ago, Cerberus said: This would be delicious Surely this is resolved by overturning the legislation. If the Tories have the numbers to pass Johnson’s ‘deal’ then they have the numbers to do that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 OK, the Forfar Dispatch newspaper isn't a barometer for the country, but Angus does have Kirstene 'don't ask me difficult questions' Hair as MP and many 'farmers'. Yet the front page lead headline is 'Shock findings of Brexit report' that says Angus is potentially one of the areas to be worst hit by Brexit. Hope it will help more people think about the state of UK and the idea of equal nations.She's my MP. The humiliation [emoji23] A huge number of local Tory doormats thinks it's fake news and it'll be ok "because we survived rationing".Dribbling idiots [emoji23][emoji23] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, pandarilla said: What's he done today? He responded to it clearly, twice (once outside and once inside somewhere). Other than that, the detail is crucial and time is needed to go through it. What do you want him to do? I'd like him to step down from the leadership of a party which is currently IMO unelectable. it's a real sadness to me that the leader of the opposition can have had such little , in fact negative, impact over a prolonged period where the Government has been in such disarray. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, johnnydun said: The DUP will not take any pay off now that the UVF have guns pointed at their heids. It's more the UDA that they were always uncomfortably close to over the years. The problem for the DUP is that there isn't scope for a Unionist veto on the backstop if this goes to Stormont as there normally would be under the GFA. That's not something they are likely to fold on. Boris J needs parliament to collapse pronto so a general election is fought on the issue of him delivering this deal, so he's probably more than happy to jettison the DUP at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said: It's more the UDA that they were always uncomfortably close to over the years. The problem for the DUP is that there isn't scope for a Unionist veto on the backstop if this goes to Stormont as there normally would be under the GFA. That's not something they are likely to fold on. Boris J needs parliament to collapse pronto so a general election is fought on the issue of him delivering this deal, so he's probably more than happy to jettison the DUP at this point. Just with Foster having meetings with the UVF and UDA this week, I can only imagine them letting her know that if she votes through any deal that would align NI more with the Republic than with the rest of the UK, there will be repercussions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I'm surprised that Johnston has agreed to this Theresa May-lite type of deal. I always believed he would hold out until the upcoming GE and then campaign on a 'people v parliament' ticket that would surely have seen a clear Tory majority in the HoC....with that he would have had a mandate to go back to Brussels with a hard right agenda. If parliament reject his plan, a GE is inevitable and he leaves himself vulnerable to losing MP's to the Brexit Party. His bluster combined with favourable propaganda from the right-wing press can only take him so far. Sooner rather than later, the country will realise that he's a cowardly wee hypocrite who has capitulated to the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Reports that a good number of Labour MPs will break ranks to vote for this deal. MPs who voted against May’s deal.Labour are a disaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Reports that a good number of Labour MPs will break ranks to vote for this deal. MPs who voted against May’s deal. Labour are a disaster. Link? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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