NorthernLights Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Brexit brings ‘catastrophic’ £34m bill for Scotland’s fishing sector Reap what you sow (or catch in this case). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Brexit brings ‘catastrophic’ £34m bill for Scotland’s fishing sector Reap what you sow (or catch in this case).To put that number into some kind of perspective In 2016 fishing generated £296 million GVA: accounting for 0.2 % of the overall Scottish economy, and eight per cent of the marine economy.In terms of employment, fishing provided employment for a headcount of 4,800 people, contributing 0.2 % to total Scottish employment, and 6 % of the marine economy employment.https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-marine-economic-statistics/pages/6/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Brexit brings ‘catastrophic’ £34m bill for Scotland’s fishing sector Reap what you sow (or catch in this case).[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Thick, Tory doormats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: To put that number into some kind of perspective In 2016 fishing generated £296 million GVA: accounting for 0.2 % of the overall Scottish economy, and eight per cent of the marine economy. In terms of employment, fishing provided employment for a headcount of 4,800 people, contributing 0.2 % to total Scottish employment, and 6 % of the marine economy employment. https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-marine-economic-statistics/pages/6/ 6 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: To put that number into some kind of perspective In 2016 fishing generated £296 million GVA: accounting for 0.2 % of the overall Scottish economy, and eight per cent of the marine economy. In terms of employment, fishing provided employment for a headcount of 4,800 people, contributing 0.2 % to total Scottish employment, and 6 % of the marine economy employment. https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-marine-economic-statistics/pages/6/ I feel I may be at risk of tangling with a professor of advanced mathematics and statistics here, Top Cat. But here goes.... 1. Comparing a Gross Value Added number with a Gross Domestic Product figure surely depresses the %? 2. The point about Brexit and fishing is not what is the value of the UK industry now. It is what would it be if 70% of catches in UK waters were not by EU boats? (offset a bit by tariffs on exports into EU) 3. Even with adjusting for 1. and 2. above the fishing proportion of the Scottish economy would still only be a few %, agreed. But what is the proportion in Scotland of the industries that remainers keep wringing their hands about - aerospace and cars.? Even less. Edited October 15, 2019 by Pet Jeden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 If Labour MPs vote for this new Brexit deal then they are handing the Tories a GE win.“BoJo has delivered Brexit and all that.”They probably will vote for it. An utter clown shoes of a party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, Cerberus said: If Labour MPs vote for this new Brexit deal then they are handing the Tories a GE win. “BoJo has delivered Brexit and all that.” They probably will vote for it. An utter clown shoes of a party. I think you’re a little mixed up. Any Labour MPs who vote for it will not being doing so with the endorsement of the Labour Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Cerberus said: If Labour MPs vote for this new Brexit deal then they are handing the Tories a GE win. “BoJo has delivered Brexit and all that.” They probably will vote for it. An utter clown shoes of a party. Maybe. Maybe not. Polls say the British people felt Boris is/was the best man for a negotiation "war"with a pig-headed EU. But it doesn't necessarily follow that they will think he is the best man to grow the country in the post-Brexit "peace". See Churchill for details. Edited October 15, 2019 by Pet Jeden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, Cerberus said: If Labour MPs vote for this new Brexit deal then they are handing the Tories a GE win. “BoJo has delivered Brexit and all that.” They probably will vote for it. An utter clown shoes of a party. Corbyn's been so fucking non-committal on this, I wouldn't put it past them to vote for it. Surely to god they would insist it would have to be put to another referendum with Remain an option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Maybe. Maybe not. Polls say the British people felt Boris is/was the best man for a negotiation "war"with a pig-headed EU. But it doesn't necessarily follow that they will think he is the best man to grow the country in the post-Brexit "peace". See Churchill for details. Do you agree with that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Do you agree with that? Yes. And their pig-headedness is kind of logical. France and Germany have 20-25% polling that they want out of the EU. The EU has a need to demonstrate that leaving will be made to be painful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 51 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Yes. And their pig-headedness is kind of logical. France and Germany have 20-25% polling that they want out of the EU. The EU has a need to demonstrate that leaving will be made to be painful. Good that you'll have someone to blame when it all goes tits up - as it surely will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Good that you'll have someone to blame when it all goes tits up - as it surely will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Fancy that. Not like the Lib Dems to have a change of mind... Quote Sept 15th, Liberal Democrat members have officially endorsed revoking Article 50 without a referendum if leader Jo Swinson wins power at the next general election. Quote October 16th Jo Swinson's party has tabled an amendment to the Queen's Speech - which is currently being debated in Parliament - that would put any agreement the Prime Minister reaches with Brussels to a public vote. The amendment instructs the Government "to prepare for a People’s Vote in which the public will have the choice between the latest Withdrawal Agreement and remaining in the European Union". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 From the information available the proposal is a dog’s dinner cobbled together so Johnson can claim a ‘victory’. He would not have supported this had May brought it forward, the same goes for many other Tory MPs. Hypocrisy and total desperation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: From the information available the proposal is a dog’s dinner cobbled together so Johnson can claim a ‘victory’. He would not have supported this had May brought it forward, the same goes for many other Tory MPs. Hypocrisy and total desperation. This. The UK is desperate to avoid a 'no deal' scenario so they've apparently agreed concessions that effectively draw a customs line down the Irish sea. This was the kind of deal that a year ago would have been roundly ridiculed by Tories, still obsessed with their 'red lines' pish. Now of course, the Tories, and their pets in the right-wing press have no alternative but to paint this as some kind of triumph. It's laughable. Edited October 16, 2019 by Bob Mahelp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Fancy that. Not like the Lib Dems to have a change of mind... The pledge to revoke Article 50 is contingent on the outcome of the next general election, which hasn't happened yet. The two statements you have quoted can exist in the same universe without issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) Just heard Swinson on the radio talking about her back-breakingly contorted referendum policy. I am simply at a loss as to how any sentient being could stroll along to a polling station and willingly put a cross next to her name. Edited October 16, 2019 by JTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Swinson being totally exposed just now on Sky over her total hypocrisy on Indy Ref 2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Pet Jeden said: Yes. And their pig-headedness is kind of logical. France and Germany have 20-25% polling that they want out of the EU. The EU has a need to demonstrate that leaving will be made to be painful. The EU is not being pig headed. If we want to leave then why not just leave, good-bye and cheerio? The answer is that our economy is heavily intertwined with these other countries and more so than with rest of the world. So much so that somebody thought it would be a good idea to set up an organisation to make it all work. Apparently 75% to 80% of France and Germany agree. Good to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, Fullerene said: The EU is not being pig headed. If we want to leave then why not just leave, good-bye and cheerio? The answer is that our economy is heavily intertwined with these other countries and more so than with rest of the world. So much so that somebody thought it would be a good idea to set up an organisation to make it all work. Apparently 75% to 80% of France and Germany agree. Good to know. Correct. The 20% - 25% in these countries have probably always existed because of the combination of morons and far right thundecunts (see relevant Venn diagrams for overlap). So it doesn't feel like there is a trend like we've seen in England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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