Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Kuro]

17 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

You know that schadenfreude  a lot of folk are expressing towards farmers and fishermen as Brexit approaches? I get a little bit of the same when Snp fans (and you're not an informed politically aware person, so don't kid yourself - this might as well be the x-factor or the SPFL second tier for you) cannot see beyond Independence. All those Tories aren't going to f**k off, you know, and idiots like you will have chased the socialist alternative. Then we'll see how progressive the SNP really are. You are aware of their old nickname, I assume?

They are with independence.

You mean the vacuous and inaccurate nickname Labour types gave them?  Yeah good point.

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, virginton said:

Scotland hasn't voted for any form of Tory government in its history; your country does it every five years. 

 

That's not true. Tories got an actual majority of Scottish votes in 1955 and were the largest party several times between then and universal suffrage beginning in 1929.

 

[frankthetank22]

3 minutes ago, Detournement said:

That's not true. Tories got an actual majority of Scottish votes in 1955 and were the largest party several times between then and universal suffrage beginning in 1929.

 

F***k off

[Granny Danger]

The SNP doing the right thing (again) by saying they are willing to sit down with Corbyn and hinting heavily that they will support his proposal.  Grown up politics, something that the other parties could learn from.

[vikingTON]

Just now, Detournement said:

That's not true. Tories got an actual majority of Scottish votes in 1955 and were the largest party several times between then and universal suffrage beginning in 1929.

 

Erm no - as anyone who has read the works of the esteemed Scottish historian Richard Finlay already knows, that was in fact the Unionist Party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionist_Party_(Scotland)

Their alliance of the staunch working class and the landed interests soon fell apart when Protestant church membership collapsed in the following decade. 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

13 minutes ago, virginton said:

Five wild swings and misses in a row - turns out you were actually better off relying on Hitchens. 

Just let that sink in. 

So, Peterborough, then. Polling, MSM and even the bookies. All awaiting the first Too-racist-for-UKIP MP, Farage pre-booked for the Morning sofa-shows. How did that work out?

Which of those MPs who left their Parties to form other companies or groups, or to sit as independents, do you believe will keep their seat?

Now Queen Jo has worked out her wee strop was a bit of a faux pas, any chance of you admitting the same?

That last question was probably unfair, as it's happened fairly recently so you might not have found out yet. Basically, every other party  (including a few Tories) told her she was fucking mental so she's trying the reverse ferret to beat them all.

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Is there an MP anywhere who openly backed Brexit before the referendum, but is utterly opposed to No Deal?

Probably not, but they’d maybe be a nice happy medium. I’ve already seen the word ‘coup’ used to describe Corbyn being installed as a temporary PM. Ironic really, that the right-wing rags don’t really understand what a coup is.

Coup is more appropriate for the current incumbent.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

9 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

4 hours ago, Paco said:

Is there an MP anywhere who openly backed Brexit before the referendum, but is utterly opposed to No Deal?

Probably not, but they’d maybe be a nice happy medium. I’ve already seen the word ‘coup’ used to describe Corbyn being installed as a temporary PM. Ironic really, that the right-wing rags don’t really understand what a coup is.

Coup is more appropriate for the current incumbent.

(on Brown succeedsing Bliar)

"t's the arrogance. It's the contempt. That's what gets me. It's Gordon Brown's apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It's at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud."

Guess who?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

"The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister, which is bad enough; but what makes things worse is that he now proposes to share power with a group of people even less elected than himself - the Liberal Democrats."

And again - just substitute Dinosaur-Deniers for Lib-Dems. Although, to be fair, he has kind of inherited them.

 

Full article from the Torygraph, June 2007. I actually like his concluding sentence.

[Londonwell]

1 hour ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Nope. I know exactly who I'm thinking of. While you sit on your arse reading MSM polls which ask the questions they want of the people they want,  I have seen Corbyn speak many times, from a couple of thousand in York four years ago to the six-figure crowds the Big Meeting attracts. Funny thing is, unlike the much-mentioned Glastonbury appearance, there's not what you'd call entertainment on offer. Just an honourable man speaking to people who want to hear what he's saying. He is an excellent orator - even allowing that he rarely gets a hostile crowd...

Never mind Labour, I cannot recall any politician or political speaker outside of Party Conferences pulling crowds like Corbyn does. And these are crowds of ordinary people. Mostly, given my location, in the northern "Brexit Heartlands" we're supposedly throwing away. 

"Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion, not a device for measuring it." (Peter Hitchens - a Tory cúnt, but bang on on this occasion)

Oh, and I enjoyed being middle-aged. If that's what I am now, then my Birthday Cakes will be like fucking bonfires by the time I'm done. 

I’m sorry that post is utter pish from top to bottom. Embarrassing. 

 

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

41 minutes ago, virginton said:

Erm no - as anyone who has read the works of the esteemed Scottish historian Richard Finlay already knows, that was in fact the Unionist Party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionist_Party_(Scotland)

Their alliance of the staunch working class and the landed interests soon fell apart when Protestant church membership collapsed in the following decade. 

Do you even read the things you post

This article is about the historical Tory party.

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I can understand why Corbyn has made the offer but I think it has a snowball in hell's chance of happening.

I just can't see Corbyn attracting all of his own party never mind the other opposition parties as well as Tory dissenters.

The only way such a plan could work is if the temporary PM was one who was genuinely seen as having no ambitions for higher office - it would have to be a long-serving back bencher, someone respected by all sides of the house, someone without any baggage and someone that a majority of MPs could trust to do the right thing.

I am struggling to think of anyone who meets that description.

[Cerberus]

Corbyn fans boys coming out the closet here.

Corbyn has had 3 years to oppose the Tories and Brexit and hasn’t laid a glove on them yet because Swinson won’t back his 11th hour, latest lame duck attempt she’s the blame for a Hard Brexit?

Get that to f**k.

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

1 minute ago, Cerberus said:

Corbyn fans boys coming out the closet here.

Corbyn has had 3 years to oppose the Tories and Brexit and hasn’t laid a glove on them yet because Swinson won’t back his 11th hour, latest lame duck attempt she’s the blame for a Hard Brexit?

Get that to f**k.

The govt has been defeated on Brexit at every turn. What more could Corbyn have done?

[dorlomin]

Who ever takes the role of leader of a no deal coalition needs to be someone who cannot gain politically from that position. 

The public have to feel that who ever takes the role gives their party no advantage otherwise the members of the parties will feel their party leader has failed them, creating pressure on the leader to reject the deal. 

Corbyn made zero effort to engage with the other parties to feel out their needs for this deal, instead he presented himself as the only solution Labour will entertain. 

Boris could easily fall on the threat of a no deal implosion on 31 October with no plan to put anyone in his place.. The only way Corbyn's position make sense politically is as an attempt to show himself to the Labour members and those who have wavered as a strong leader rejected by the unworthy other parties. This is just rallying the faithful, not coalition building. 

He is explicitly trying to leverage no deal to his political advantage. Given his very suspect views on Brexit to begin with, What exactly is he offering as a quid pro quo?

My suspicion is there is more than enough anti no deal MPs in parliament without anointing Corbyn as the holy knight and saviour of the realm he wants to be. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by dorlomin

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Who ever takes the role of leader of a no deal coalition needs to be someone who cannot gain politically from that position. 
The public have to feel that who ever takes the role gives their party no advantage otherwise the members of the parties will feel their party leader has failed them, creating pressure on the leader to reject the deal. 
Corbyn made zero effort to engage with the other parties to feel out their needs for this deal, instead he presented himself as the only solution Labour will entertain. 
Boris could easily fall on the threat of a no deal implosion on 31 October with no plan to put anyone in his place.. The only way Corbyn's position make sense politically is as an attempt to show himself to the Labour members and those who have wavered as a strong leader rejected by the unworthy other parties. This is just rallying the faithful, not coalition building. 
He is explicitly trying to leverage no deal to his political advantage. Given his very suspect views on Brexit to begin with, What exactly is he offering as a quid pro quo?
My suspicion is there is more than enough anti no deal MPs in parliament without anointing Corbyn as the holy knight and saviour of the realm he wants to be. 

I agree that it has to be someone who does not gain politically - just struggling to see who it could be.

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

10 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

 

Corbyn made zero effort to engage with the other parties to feel out their needs for this deal, instead he presented himself as the only solution Labour will entertain. 

He got the next largest party in Westminster onside with ease.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

He got the next largest party in Westminster onside with ease.

His biggest struggle could be getting his own party onside.

The other issue, apart from the Lib Dems, is that TIG MPs are unlikely to support him.

Angela Smith has already said she could support a government of national unity but not one led by Corbyn.

http://forgetoday.com/2019/08/15/ex-labour-sheffield-mp-wouldnt-support-corbyn-led-government/

[ayrmad]

A NO deal will be favourite in a fortnight if this is the best that REMAIN can come up with.

Hard left or NO deal, don't see the markets slipping a Rizla between both.

Edited August 16, 2019 by ayrmad

[DrewDon]

2 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Just an honourable man speaking to people who want to hear what he's saying.