Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Detournement]

Galloway has a point. Why should a Labour supporter who wants to see the referendum result implemented vote Labour when a candidate is saying this?

 

[welshbairn]

22 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Galloway has a point. Why should a Labour supporter who wants to see the referendum result implemented vote Labour when a candidate is saying this?

 

Labour will lose far more votes by backing Brexit in the election than not. 

[Detournement]

Possibly.

It's a strange election. Voters can treat it as a referendum on Brexit without having to worry about any policy implications. Totally different from a GE.

Are there any manifestos?

[welshbairn]

11 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Possibly.

It's a strange election. Voters can treat it as a referendum on Brexit without having to worry about any policy implications. Totally different from a GE.

Are there any manifestos?

Nobody reads them, no point until after for opposition research.

[Highland Capital]

2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

No ive heard him say this too. Hes just a lunatic opportunist.

I'm sure I recollect him saying that he'd opposed joining in the European referendum in the 70s, but he'd changed his mind.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Galloway has a point. Why should a Labour supporter who wants to see the referendum result implemented vote Labour when a candidate is saying this?
 

I'm sure you recently informed us that the majority of Labour voters backed Remain, so surely better to cement that group in the European Elections, especially when all available evidence is pointing to the UK swinging firmly behind Remain. Trying to be all things to all people is a waste of time.

[Detournement]

Just now, O'Kelly Isley III said:

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Galloway has a point. Why should a Labour supporter who wants to see the referendum result implemented vote Labour when a candidate is saying this?
 

I'm sure you recently informed us that the majority of Labour voters backed Remain, so surely better to cement that group in the European Elections, especially when all available evidence is pointing to the UK swinging firmly behind Remain. Trying to be all things to all people is a waste of time.

According to Lord Ashcroft Labour and the SNP were both 2/3rds Remain based on their 2015 support. That's around 3 million Labour voters and  400,00 SNP voters. 2017 totals are probably the same for Labour and smaller for the SNP but it's still a lot of voters.

Cementing voters in the European elections isn't worth anything other than good PR. There is no point in Labour running up the score in cities where they already dominate at the expense of voters in towns where they need to win and defend small majorities.

The idea of setting policy to appease the exact FBPE morons who have spent two years undermining Corbyn and will find some other reason not to vote for a socialist in a GE is daft. The Tories won't be calling a GE any time soon so sitting on the fence is the place to be.

 

[Tibbermoresaint]

5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

According to Lord Ashcroft Labour and the SNP were both 2/3rds Remain based on their 2015 support. That's around 3 million Labour voters and  400,00 SNP voters. 2017 totals are probably the same for Labour and smaller for the SNP but it's still a lot of voters.

Cementing voters in the European elections isn't worth anything other than good PR. There is no point in Labour running up the score in cities where they already dominate at the expense of voters in towns where they need to win and defend small majorities.

The idea of setting policy to appease the exact FBPE morons who have spent two years undermining Corbyn and will find some other reason not to vote for a socialist in a GE is daft. The Tories won't be calling a GE any time soon so sitting on the fence is the place to be.

 

Gobbledegook.

[welshbairn]

If it hits 60% the case for another referendum will become unanswerable imo.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1118869993259786240

[John Lambies Doos]

55% remain poll 2 days before referendum

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

If I remember correctly, the poll published day before referendum was around 56-58% remain.

51-49%

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/22/final-eve-poll-poll

[John Lambies Doos]

Apologies, clarified above as my original quote was Bollocks. But there was a 55% remain 2 days before. Populas

[Fullerene]

"Vote Labour to provide a strong voice for socialism within the EU."
"If we decide to stay in - that is."
"Not sure.  Maybe we'll stay in, maybe we won't.  It depends."
"If we are there.  Great.  Ready to fight the good fight."
"Then again, maybe we won't be there.  That's what some people say."
"Anyway, come on everybody, let's do it.  Maybe"
 

[Granny Danger]

The Labour manifesto for the Euro elections has the capacity to be a thing of simplistic brilliance; it also has the capacity to be a suicide note*.

I wonder which it will be.

*  As an aside, I wonder how people like Hodge would describe Kaufman today.  Anti-Semitic?

 

 

 

[Sharker]

It's not surprising that Farage is lapping up the EP votes after all they are the only Leave Party..I am though, surprised the Chuka hasn't set up a remain Party for the EU elections.

[ICTJohnboy]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

The Labour manifesto for the Euro elections has the capacity to be a thing of simplistic brilliance; it also has the capacity to be a suicide note*.

I wonder which it will be.

*  As an aside, I wonder how people like Hodge would describe Kaufman today.  Anti-Semitic?

 

 

She'd probably describe him as Kermit.

Like most of us did when he was around.

[lichtgilphead]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

I wonder how people like Hodge would describe Kaufman today. 

 

I'd still decribe him as a noisy c**t. 

I sat one of my professional exams in the 'toastrack' building at Manchester Poly in 1987 on General Election day. He drove round and round the building with some sort of megaphone on his car shouting "Vote for me, your local MP for 17 years" over and over. 

C**t.

[Detournement]

Adonis has actually stated that he hopes Brexiteers don't vote for Labour.

Farage will be happy.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

On 4/18/2019 at 21:45, Detournement said:

According to Lord Ashcroft Labour and the SNP were both 2/3rds Remain based on their 2015 support. That's around 3 million Labour voters and  400,00 SNP voters. 2017 totals are probably the same for Labour and smaller for the SNP but it's still a lot of voters.

Cementing voters in the European elections isn't worth anything other than good PR. There is no point in Labour running up the score in cities where they already dominate at the expense of voters in towns where they need to win and defend small majorities.

The idea of setting policy to appease the exact FBPE morons who have spent two years undermining Corbyn and will find some other reason not to vote for a socialist in a GE is daft. The Tories won't be calling a GE any time soon so sitting on the fence is the place to be.

 

After the first paragraph I don't understand what you're  saying here.  In spite of the evidence of Ashcroft and others, Labour has allowed itself to become utterly spooked by fear of traditional Labour voters who voted for Brexit and as result has failed to do the right thing by the country by opposing Brexit, aided and abetted by a vacillating  Europhobe as leader.  You talk of appeasement; sure thing if you mean running scared of electors in Hartlepool and Doncaster.

As for Corbyn, he has played an absolute blinder in undermining himself.  The dirty propaganda is just that but he has repeatedly given the air of a timid, insecure man who just wants it all to go away rather than going on the front foot and fimly rebutting it.  Never mind, fence-sitting is just what the country needs right now.

[Fullerene]

9 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

After the first paragraph I don't understand what you're  saying here.  In spite of the evidence of Ashcroft and others, Labour has allowed itself to become utterly spooked by fear of traditional Labour voters who voted for Brexit and as result has failed to do the right thing by the country by opposing Brexit, aided and abetted by a vacillating  Europhobe as leader.  You talk of appeasement; sure thing if you mean running scared of electors in Hartlepool and Doncaster.

As for Corbyn, he has played an absolute blinder in undermining himself.  The dirty propaganda is just that but he has repeatedly given the air of a timid, insecure man who just wants it all to go away rather than going on the front foot and fimly rebutting it.  Never mind, fence-sitting is just what the country needs right now.

You can also add that some Labour voters voted Leave in the complete absence of any guidance from their own party.
If Corbyn believes that campaigning for something will achieve some good, he should also realise that not campaigning or lukewarm campaigning will have the opposite effect.

As for Corbyn wanting it all to go away - after Brexit, there will some other distraction that will get in the way of his great plans.
There always will be.