Baxter Parp Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Yes we could (I'm not saying we should), and yes the EU set the baseline rate. So what? It's a tax that existed before the EU did. That's the point. The impression given is that VAT is a tax imposed by and for the benefit of the EU and that's palpably wrong. I don't know why you're bothering to defend it. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Why did we have a Grand National this year? Did nobody win it last year? It's alright though we got the same result 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 So what? It's a tax that existed before the EU did. That's the point. The impression given is that VAT is a tax imposed by and for the benefit of the EU and that's palpably wrong. I don't know why you're bothering to defend it.I'm not defending it, I was just pointing out that in the EU we are, currently, held to minimum rate is all. It's side of a bus stuff, I'm agreeing with you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 So we could be out the EU with no deal by 11pm on Friday night if May cannot convince the EU27 to extend A50 by Wednesday. She will likely be trying to use that as leverage to force Labour to accept her deal with some superficial changes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 59 minutes ago, dorlomin said: So we could be out the EU with no deal by 11pm on Friday night if May cannot convince the EU27 to extend A50 by Wednesday. She will likely be trying to use that as leverage to force Labour to accept her deal with some superficial changes. Assuming Cooper’s Bill becomes law today wouldn’t she obliged to return to the HoC and seek approval for whatever extension the EU offer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) Crazy state of affairs when she has to negotiate with Corbyn rather than persuade her own fucking party to support her deal. Edited April 8, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 She is off to meet Angela Merkel 2mr is jezza invited? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Crazy state of affairs when she has to negotiate with Corbyn rather than persuade her own fucking party to support her deal. aye all this has really thrown the political handbook right out of the window! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee_62 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Crazy state of affairs when she has to negotiate with Corbyn rather than persuade her own fucking party to support her deal. and will it all be irrelevant anyway? When she goes, the next PM will likely be put in place by circa 100,000 Tory members. They'll then shape the negotiations for working with the EU regardless of what might be agreed by May and Corbyn. (regardless of what gets said now). Depressing thought. Sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Couple of ERG types pushing for a pointless VOC in May, one of them got taken apart on BBC2 today By Daniel Finkelstein, a Times hack. Quote It is really hard dealing with this, because it seems to me so daft, to use a polite word for it. You can’t get no-deal through parliament because 400 MPs are against it. It doesn’t matter who the leader of the Conservative party is. This is not about Theresa May. And one of the reasons you failed to get rid of her last time you pointlessly made a vote of no confidence in her, that just resulted in strengthening her for a year, is that getting rid of her would make no difference. And it is failing to appreciate that that has meant that you have over-played your hand, over and over again, and are going to end up possibly with a second referendum on a soft Brexit, and possibly a Corbyn government thrown in. The tactical stupidity of this is breathtaking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, zidane's child said: aye all this has really thrown the political handbook right out of the window! 2 hours ago, dee_62 said: and will it all be irrelevant anyway? When she goes, the next PM will likely be put in place by circa 100,000 Tory members. They'll then shape the negotiations for working with the EU regardless of what might be agreed by May and Corbyn. (regardless of what gets said now). Depressing thought. Sorry. I reckon the crux of the May/Corbyn negotiations will centre around, not so much that there will be a need for a customs union, it will be more a case of what they'll call it. Hopefully by the end of the week there will still be no sign of any kind of a meaningful agreement and the revoking of A50 will be inevitable. Edited April 8, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: I reckon the crux of the May/Corbyn negotiations will centre around, not so much that there will be a need for a customs union, it will be more a case of what they'll call it. Hopefully by the end of the week there will still be no sign of any kind of a meaningful agreement and the revoking of A50 will be inevitable. Would you expect May to stay on or do you think she'd be finished after this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 "Confirmatory vote" Mays deal plus "Better Together" style promises to Corbyn or no deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Cant wait to see wankers like James Dyson seething at the thought of workers rights being preserved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, zidane's child said: Would you expect May to stay on or do you think she'd be finished after this? She is finished and will be forced out sooner, rather than later. Can't say the favourites to replace her (Gove or Boris) inspire much hope in this country's future prospects. Boris would be an unmitigated disaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I can't see anybody in either of the main parties that inspire me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: She is finished and will be forced out sooner, rather than later. Can't say the favourites to replace her (Gove or Boris) inspire much hope in this country's future prospects. Boris would be an unmitigated disaster. It could be worse, we could end up with Andrea loathsome............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, WATTOO said: It could be worse, we could end up with Andrea loathsome............. Is Andrea worse than Boris? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, WATTOO said: It could be worse, we could end up with Andrea loathsome............. I think Leadsom is more despicable than May. Absolutely loathsome woman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: Cant wait to see wankers like James Dyson seething at the thought of workers rights being preserved. He doesn't give a f**k since he moved to Singapore after they concluded a zero tariff trade deal with the EU, no minimum wage and 7 days paid holiday a year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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