dorlomin Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Labour might lose votes in this way too but I suspect not as many and not with such devastating consequences. And I Quote f you have a moment, pause and reflect on the political apocalypse that has engulfed the Conservative Party during this byelection campaign and then contemplate with me the fact that the result of the vote was a 2.4% swing from Labour to the Conservatives. This swing was hardly a rally of support for the Conservatives: it was the product of the fall in Conservative support since the 2017 general election (-8%) being smaller than the fall in Labour support (-12.7%). The decline in Conservative support I understand (as I also understand the Conservative candidate’s relief after the count that his party had not been entirely wiped out); but what am I, or anyone else, to make of the greater drop in Labour’s support? Surely Mr Corbyn cannot be correct: the result cannot “show support for Labour’s alternative” if it represents a 24% loss in Labour’s share of the vote since the 2017 general election? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/apr/05/brexit-latest-news-developments-live-theresa-may-writes-to-eu-requesting-another-article-50-extension-but-only-until-30-june-live-news?page=with:block-5ca7408c8f08d36c4a923fa4#block-5ca7408c8f08d36c4a923fa4 -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Not sure you can tell much from a 37% turnout in a safe Labour seat in shitty weather. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Not sure you can tell much from a 37% turnout in a safe Labour seat in shitty weather. I wouldn’t worry, dorlomin just likes disagreeing with me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Have we left yet?Has Fluffy resigned?So many questions..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Oh dear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Just let this madness stop 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) The French sound like a "non" for an extension without a significant movement. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/apr/05/brexit-latest-news-developments-live-theresa-may-writes-to-eu-requesting-another-article-50-extension-but-only-until-30-june-live-news?page=with:block-5ca75bd38f086430d391a101#block-5ca75bd38f086430d391a101 While someone on Mays team was apparently trying to sell her deal as a Customs Union in all but name. Edited, the quote is from Amélie de Montchalin, I will just leave this here. Edited April 5, 2019 by dorlomin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, dorlomin said: The French sound like a "non" for an extension without a significant movement. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/apr/05/brexit-latest-news-developments-live-theresa-may-writes-to-eu-requesting-another-article-50-extension-but-only-until-30-june-live-news?page=with:block-5ca75bd38f086430d391a101#block-5ca75bd38f086430d391a101 While someone on Mays team was apparently trying to sell her deal as a Customs Union in all but name. Good news if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Good news if true. It won't be. The letter to the EU specifically indicated that she is not looking to alter the WA in these discussions. How do Labour sign up to that having opposed it tooth and nail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Tusk and co must not let the Westminster madness descend on the EU parliament. They must stay strong or they will be dragged into the Westminster chaos. Unless there is real movement by the UK then all extensions should be refused. The pantomime has gone on long enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, HTG said: It won't be. The letter to the EU specifically indicated that she is not looking to alter the WA in these discussions. How do Labour sign up to that having opposed it tooth and nail. Maybe I wasn’t clear. I meant the French refusing an extension unless there’s a significant movement is good news if true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Maybe I wasn’t clear. I meant the French refusing an extension unless there’s a significant movement is good news if true. Amélie de Montchalin - WID! On a serious note it sounds like r27 are now totally pissed off with us! Edited April 5, 2019 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Good news if true.If only people hadn't voted leave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, HTG said: It won't be. The letter to the EU specifically indicated that she is not looking to alter the WA in these discussions. How do Labour sign up to that having opposed it tooth and nail. Again, Labour have said they haven't a problem with the WA, it's the Political Declaration. The EU have categorically refused to reopen the WA but they're quite happy to alter the PD. The daft thing is that the PD is non binding so the final deal depends on who's running the Government and the EU during the negotiations. May and Corbyn are arguing over the shade of paper the WA is printed on. The real choice is between a totally blind Brexit and Remain, but that's the process the EU insisted on. P.S. Even No Deal will be blind as the EU will refuse to negotiate on a trade deal until the Irish Border question has a back stop, citizens rights are guaranteed and the money we owe the EU has been settled, much the same as the WA. Edited April 5, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 The French sound like a "non" for an extension without a significant movement. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/apr/05/brexit-latest-news-developments-live-theresa-may-writes-to-eu-requesting-another-article-50-extension-but-only-until-30-june-live-news?page=with:block-5ca75bd38f086430d391a101#block-5ca75bd38f086430d391a101 While someone on Mays team was apparently trying to sell her deal as a Customs Union in all but name. Edited, the quote is from Amélie de Montchalin, I will just leave this here. France will shite it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Maybe I wasn’t clear. I meant the French refusing an extension unless there’s a significant movement is good news if true.Default legal position is no deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 BBC reporting that a quarter of the public would boycott the European elections in May. Damn, that's really going to hit the turnout. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: Default legal position is no deal. This is correct and there is time for that to be changed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Remain will be shiting it based on the new sky poll. 43% angry if EU elections go ahead and 30% very angry.Also, once don't knows are taken out, majority for no deal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 5 hours ago, MuckleMoo said: Love it when the SNP does this sort of shithttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/05/nicola-sturgeon-tells-brexit-eu-citizens-in-scotland-you-are-welcome-here This is why Westminster are determined not to give holyrood too much power. They're terrified of being shown up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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