Kyle Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 44 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Owen Smith asks whether the PM will accept a customs union and a "people's vote" on the final Brexit deal, as the price for getting her agreement through the Commons. He says that this is what Labour will ask for in the cross-party talks later. Theresa May replies that there are a "number of areas" where she agrees with Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit, including the need to leave with a deal. She is working to find a solution which can "command the support of this House", she adds. That's the first time she has not rejected out of hand a second referendum. Think it will be what happens but it won't be a ballot vs Remain but a simple Yes/No on her deal+CU. Would be interesting to say the least - SNP, Lib Dems and ERG would be on the No side along with some Remain Tory/Labour MPs. Yes would be May/Corbyn. I think No would win. Her deal plus CU will fly through the house I'm not so sure. She's would have the cabinet, loyalists and the labour front bench. I reckon it would be a lot tighter but she's relying on a big turn around from labour to make up for the Brexiteers who wouldn't vote for it and probably the usual cohort of remainers who would refuse too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I was weakly opposed to Scottish independence at the time of the referendum, but had no doubt that it wouldn't have harmed the economy. Hard brexit would be an economic catastrophe for Britain. Soft, not so much, but then what's the point? If theres no freedom of movement then its not any good for Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: If theres no freedom of movement then its not any good for Scotland. Agreed that it's not good, but it's not as bad as customs checks, regulatory differences and tarrifs. We are well into damage limitation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: If theres no freedom of movement then its not any good for Scotland. There might be fudge room for regional variations like they used to have in Canada. Not full FoM but fast track for EU citizens willing to work in areas that need them. It would mean not full Single Market of course, and would need to be negotiated after we withdraw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There might be fudge room for regional variations like they used to have in Canada. Not full FoM but fast track for EU citizens willing to work in areas that need them. It would mean not full Single Market of course, and would need to be negotiated after we withdraw. ...And would involve some degree of devolved power to Scottish authorities in order to administer it. Further divergence between Holyrood and Westminster will almost certainly not be allowed to occur. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 If theres no freedom of movement then its not any good for Scotland. Why would an independent Scotland in the EU not just negotiate a similar deal that the UK has with ROI... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Her deal plus CU will fly through the houseI didn't say it wouldn't.A referendum on the deal is an entirely different matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I'm not so sure. She's would have the cabinet, loyalists and the labour front bench. I reckon it would be a lot tighter but she's relying on a big turn around from labour to make up for the Brexiteers who wouldn't vote for it and probably the usual cohort of remainers who would refuse too.I was not talking about a vote in the HoC but if it went to a confirmatory referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, Billy Rubin said: Eu election results ( if they happen ) will be funny. Presumably all leavers in England will either boycott the elections or back UKIP. Turnout will be sky high from remainers. Would probably result in a good night for the SNP, Lib Dems and UKIP. There's Farage's Brexit Party too now, so maybe a lot of Leavers might not know who to vote for. Agree though, if the Tories/UKIP/Brexit parties all vote in to each other ; then Plaid, SNP, Libs, etc might well come up on top. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 I didn't say it wouldn't.A referendum on the deal is an entirely different matter.Yes but what's the question. Will it be deal v remain.? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Regarding blue passports, will Gibraltarians get their old ones back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Owen Smith asks whether the PM will accept a customs union and a "people's vote" on the final Brexit deal, as the price for getting her agreement through the Commons. He says that this is what Labour will ask for in the cross-party talks later. Theresa May replies that there are a "number of areas" where she agrees with Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit, including the need to leave with a deal. She is working to find a solution which can "command the support of this House", she adds. That's the first time she has not rejected out of hand a second referendum. Think it will be what happens but it won't be a ballot vs Remain but a simple Yes/No on her deal+CU. Would be interesting to say the least - SNP, Lib Dems and ERG would be on the No side along with some Remain Tory/Labour MPs. Yes would be May/Corbyn. I think No would win. Her deal plus CU will fly through the house Would the EU accept that without Free Movement of People? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Yes but what's the question. Will it be deal v remain.?I don't think they'd put Remain on the ballot - it would be a straight Yes/No on the deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 This is the timetable for Yvette Cooper’s Bill. Brilliant stuff. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 37 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Yes but what's the question. Will it be deal v remain.? I don't think they'd put Remain on the ballot - it would be a straight Yes/No on the deal. It will be a blackmail question to force people to either endorse Mays bucket of sick plus some non guarantees Corbyn will think he has secured or no deal exit. It will be done to claim Mays bucket of sick is publicly popular. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Jambomo said: I think it illustrates a problem though. We have now reached the point where they are just desperate to agree any deal at all and so what that deal contains and whether it is actually any good for the country is almost secondary to the fact that it scrapes enough people to support it. I think the indicative votes showed that the other evening as well. A lot of people were annoyed the SNP didn’t vote for Clark’s Custom Union option, but without realising there would still be no freedom of movement, and is still a very hard Brexit. They didn’t vote for it because it is a rubbish option but people are just desperate for anything less than No Deal, they are jumping at it. That is just ridiculous. But after nearly three years of going nowhere, it's entirely probable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I'm pretty sure remain will be on the ballot paper. I'd be happy enough with that. Parliament agrees to May's deal going to a referendum v remain. Remain wins and I can tell my wife 'told you so' in a very smug manner. Brexiteers in tears and snottery meltdown and continued campaigning for another referendum forever. PS. Today is Nigel Farage's birthday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I'm pretty sure remain will be on the ballot paper. I'd be happy enough with that. Parliament agrees to May's deal going to a referendum v remain. Remain wins and I can tell my wife 'told you so' in a very smug manner. Brexiteers in tears and snottery meltdown and continued campaigning for another referendum forever. PS. Today is Nigel Farage's birthday.If Remain was not on any second referendum ballot paper then millions should advertise their intention to boycott it in advance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: I'm pretty sure remain will be on the ballot paper. I'd be happy enough with that. Parliament agrees to May's deal going to a referendum v remain. Remain wins and I can tell my wife 'told you so' in a very smug manner. Brexiteers in tears and snottery meltdown and continued campaigning for another referendum forever. PS. Today is Nigel Farage's birthday. That is the ideal scenario. I'd be equally smug telling Mrs Grumpy. The gammons eternally calling for another referendum being the icing on the cake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Chris H Harris minister for exiting the EU has resigned 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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