Donathan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Londonwell said: Bit confused that Blackford called for GE and then he (the media team) put out a statement calling for a 2nd EUref. There are some within the SNP who oppose a 2nd referendum for the reason being that they believe it would set a dangerous precedent ahead of a future Yes vote to independence. Pete Wishart in particular has expressed concern that it a 2nd EU ref resulting in a remain vote could trigger a future UK government fucking Scotland over in secession negotiations and enforcing a confirmatory referendum that is then voted down by Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, NotThePars said: The SNP have potentially fucked it with their abstaining on the Customs Union amendment. Disappointing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Why should he? It's his thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Donathan said: There are some within the SNP who oppose a 2nd referendum for the reason being that they believe it would set a dangerous precedent ahead of a future Yes vote to independence. Pete Wishart in particular has expressed concern that it a 2nd EU ref resulting in a remain vote could trigger a future UK government fucking Scotland over in secession negotiations and enforcing a confirmatory referendum that is then voted down by Scotland. I’m fully aware of that but it isn’t anything to do with what I said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There's a majority of MPs in favour of a non hard Brexit and unwilling to go against the referendum result. If Monday doesn't produce a viable alternative, May's deal will go through, Phase 2 allows space for everything between remain and a hard brexit, it's only party politics that has stopped it till now. Otherwise a General Election. The deal is not going to go through. There are still up to 50 Tories against as well as 10 DUP. That's assuming that none of the remainer Tories have now turned against the May deal for fear of handing the process over to Boris or the ERG, which is uncertain. The only thing that will get May's deal through is if dozens of Labour MPs in Brexit constituencies vote for the deal and May's announcement today makes that all the more unlikely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Donathan said: There are some within the SNP who oppose a 2nd referendum for the reason being that they believe it would set a dangerous precedent ahead of a future Yes vote to independence. Pete Wishart in particular has expressed concern that it a 2nd EU ref resulting in a remain vote could trigger a future UK government fucking Scotland over in secession negotiations and enforcing a confirmatory referendum that is then voted down by Scotland. Precedents and conventions mean nothing anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Disappointing. How could the SNP vote for something that breaks their red lines and then go onto to another IndyRef deriding a situation that they had voted for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Donathan said: The deal is not going to go through. There are still up to 50 Tories against as well as 10 DUP. That's assuming that none of the remainer Tories have now turned against the May deal for fear of handing the process over to Boris or the ERG, which is uncertain. The only thing that will get May's deal through is if dozens of Labour MPs in Brexit constituencies vote for the deal and May's announcement today makes that all the more unlikely. Yeah, May’s Deal will not go through. No Deal will not go through. Whatever else happens these are two huge positives. It will be interesting to see if May even puts MV3 to Parliament this week. (If wee Johnny Bercow lets her). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Looks like the the no's have it 2nite.....all of it.....whit a flippin shower westminter is What do we want.......nothing When do we want it.........don't know 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I'm starting to think that there is a decent chunk of the ERG who just want to get back to the good old days of moaning about the EU to attract voters to the right without any likelihood of it changing our relationship with Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: Who is going to oust Corbyn for a right winger? Corbyn might have support with shouty folk but he's been an absolute shit show as a leader of the opposition. His Brexit is pure cakeism, never going to be accepted. The Blairite wing will be able to appease the anyone but Tories Labour by promising a brexit of sorts and take the floaters who see the crazy right of the Tories as a really bad option. The weird thing is they'll be hoping for a strong but not challenging UKIP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Donathan said: The deal is not going to go through. There are still up to 50 Tories against as well as 10 DUP. That's assuming that none of the remainer Tories have now turned against the May deal for fear of handing the process over to Boris or the ERG, which is uncertain. The only thing that will get May's deal through is if dozens of Labour MPs in Brexit constituencies vote for the deal and May's announcement today makes that all the more unlikely. There's nothing in May's deal that stops Labour's suggestion happening. It's purely party political. They agree with the Withdrawal Agreement, it's only the non binding waffle of the Political Declaration they disagree with. Edited March 27, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, dirty dingus said: Corbyn might have support with shouty folk but he's been an absolute shit show as a leader of the opposition. His Brexit is pure cakeism, never going to be accepted. The Blairite wing will be able to appease the anyone but Tories Labour by promising a brexit of sorts and take the floaters who see the crazy right of the Tories as a really bad option. The weird thing is they'll be hoping for a strong but not challenging UKIP. What? Blackford is talking about a GE and a customs union seems the outcome with the most chance of succeeding. Both are Labour policies. The Labour membership are strongly behind Corbyn. The likes of Starmer, Benn or Jess Phillips will never win a leadership contest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 5 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Bercow is abusing his power for his own wishes Disagree. He's clearly a self-aggrandising arsehole and a bit angry since Big Sally is getting roundly pumped by all and sundry but I think Bercow has handled this past week well. The Government has run out of ideas and, as Speaker, he has shown that they can't keep asking the same question in the hope of getting a different answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 Brussels going ape shit apparently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Could we take a moment just to admire that Labour are still behind in the polls up against this absolute shower. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Getting a majority for any proposition tonight was going to be a tough ask and none of the proponents of the exercise expected it. I’m pretty confident that a majority will emerge on Monday, hopefully after MV3 getting voted down for the third time. If May chooses to ignore that then there could be a successful VoC that goes against the government. The one thing that might stop that is Soubry’s lot as they will be scared shitless at the Ida of a GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: I'm starting to think that there is a decent chunk of the ERG who just want to get back to the good old days of moaning about the EU to attract voters to the right without any likelihood of it changing our relationship with Europe. Not as crazy as it sounds; remember the reaction of Johnson and Gove the day after the Referendum ? They looked as if they had shat themselves. Now that the carnage likely to ensue in the wake of No Deal or a Hard Brexit is better known the ERG may well act like those hyenas on Attenborough's shows who attack the lion then totally shite it when the reality dawns, all the while baying loudly as they retreat. None more so than the Grand Hyena Baker earlier this evening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, Donathan said: Pete Wishart in particular has expressed concern that it a 2nd EU ref resulting in a remain vote could trigger a future UK government fucking Scotland over in secession negotiations and enforcing a confirmatory referendum How would this be possible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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