Tibbermoresaint Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, btb said: Quite a few folk suggesting the EU would insist on a second referendum as the price for extending A50 - this would be an absolute gift for Leave! Far more of a gift for Remain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1107930087364665345 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, welshbairn said: https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1107930087364665345 He’s about a week late. I made the same point when it was raised in Parliament by Angela Eagles (I think) last week. If there’s a majority for a deal then there’s a majority to force the vote; if not there ain’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) As far as I was aware the speakers role is impartial and non partisan at Westminster, however it seems that Bercow has decided to enter the fray at such a late date to scupper May's attempt to curry another vote, given that he is a declared Brexiteer I find his interference foolish and misguided and he may have been influenced by his close friend Kenneth Clarke the 'Father of the House' with whom he enjoyed a late dinner with last week. I have no doubt that May would have lost that third attempt which would have prompted a lengthy extension and a second ref, however by Bercow's late input it may well be that through tory executive petulance at being usurped we may well be looking at a catastrophic 'no deal' exit Edited March 19, 2019 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, SandyCromarty said: As far as I was aware the speakers role is impartial and non partisan at Westminster, however it seems that Bercow has decided to enter the fray at such a late date to scupper May's attempt to curry another vote Should Bercow just ignore the rules of parliament now? In doing so, giving away a huge amount of time for a government who have already wasted parliaments time on the same motion by allocating days to debate and then pulling the vote at the last minute. Wouldn't be very neutral, would it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 hours ago, I'm Brian said: It was a very distinct possibility which was highlighted during IndyRef. The likelihood on us not being granted admission into the EU, after a Yes vote in 2014, was 0% You can deny it all you like The likelihood isn't a fact. Do you know for certain that Scotland would have been granted entry to the EU? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 The vote needs to be today or tomorrow so she better get a move on if she wants to buy off parliament, buy off the DUP and buy off the ERG before she goes to Brussels. That's really all she's got left. She can't claim any material change to the WA. All she can do is throw money at these people. It'll be preferable to her when set against having to compromise with Labour, the Lib Dems or the SNP. May would rather see the UK fall into a massive sinkhole than talk to the opposition. She's an absolute cvnt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said: As far as I was aware the speakers role is impartial and non partisan at Westminster, however it seems that Bercow has decided to enter the fray at such a late date to scupper May's attempt to curry another vote, given that he is a declared Brexiteer I find his interference foolish and misguided and he may have been influenced by his close friend Kenneth Clarke the 'Father of the House' with whom he enjoyed a late dinner with last week. I have no doubt that May would have lost that third attempt which would have prompted a lengthy extension and a second ref, however by Bercow's late input it may well be that through tory executive petulance at being usurped we may well be looking at a catastrophic 'no deal' exit Surely you mean committed Remainer? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, harry94 said: Should Bercow just ignore the rules of parliament now? In doing so, giving away a huge amount of time for a government who have already wasted parliaments time on the same motion by allocating days to debate and then pulling the vote at the last minute. Wouldn't be very neutral, would it? He must have been aware of the procedure prior to the second vote when you consider the heavy loss she sustained in the first vote, if so why wait in ambush so close to the exit date? If you read my second paragraph again, which you failed to comment on, you will see my thoughts on the possibility of a no deal exit caused by this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: The likelihood isn't a fact. Do you know for certain that Scotland would have been granted entry to the EU? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Surely you mean committed Remainer? Yes you're right, a massive mistake on my part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Yes. Evidence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Evidence? https://www.scotsman.com/news/eu-negotiator-simple-fact-independent-scotland-could-join-eu-1-4757519 I've pulled up recent comments that reflect our current situation but the same was said in 2014. Some people just choose to ignore it. Edited March 19, 2019 by Londonwell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HTG Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: The likelihood isn't a fact. Do you know for certain that Scotland would have been granted entry to the EU? This is the last bastion argument of anyone who doesn't want change to happen. It doesn't matter what the change is. Change always requires both the management of risk and the acceptance that not everything will happen as planned. Some things will be better and some not. The real question is whether you think the risk is being managed and what are the chances of it becoming a reality. In any assessment of the risk around Scotland being accepted as a member of the EU, you'd score it Green. Similarly, you'd find any assessment of Scotland's ability to work to EU requirements whilst the process of full membership was worked through would also be Green. In both cases because the will of both parties is to make it happen. Only morons can honestly believe that Scotland would be cut adrift. The same applies to currency. Every country in the world uses currency. Scotland will not revert to bartering with porridge and wind power. There may be a migration to the end point rather than a big bang but that is actually preferable in terms of securing a stable platform for disentangling from the UK. Brexit on the other hand has been managed as a xenophobic clusterfuck where the UK has spouted endless pish whilst delivering f**k all - hence the reason we're 10 days out and they're arguing about 17th century protocol. Utter fannies. Edited March 19, 2019 by HTG 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Evidence? Common sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, HTG said: The vote needs to be today or tomorrow so she better get a move on if she wants to buy off parliament, buy off the DUP and buy off the ERG before she goes to Brussels. That's really all she's got left. She can't claim any material change to the WA. All she can do is throw money at these people. It'll be preferable to her when set against having to compromise with Labour, the Lib Dems or the SNP. May would rather see the UK fall into a massive sinkhole than talk to the opposition. She's an absolute cvnt. Rumours that she'll ask for 9 months extension but with the flexibility of shortening it if she can get her deal through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Common sense. Oh well. That's it set in stone then. Oh dear! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Londonwell said: https://www.scotsman.com/news/eu-negotiator-simple-fact-independent-scotland-could-join-eu-1-4757519 I've pulled up recent comments that reflect our current situation but the same was said in 2014. Some people just choose to ignore it. The word 'could' doesn't make it a certainty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 Oh well. That's it set in stone then. Oh dear!Over the last week alone, you've shown yourself to be the most cretinous, self loathing, cringe worthy, scottish hating, doff capping imbecile in P&B history. A truly remarkable feat. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: The word 'could' doesn't make it a certainty. There's no such thing as certainty but given the fact Scotland already meet all the criteria for membership, and no country has said they would block it, you'd have to be very brave or insane to bet against it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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