welshbairn Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: It would be difficult for any Unionist party to support the back stop, because it is transparently obviously the EU saying that we will only let you leave easily if you leave NI with us so that there is no land border involved. The NI back stop is expected to be permanent so cannot be made time-limited, because that doesn't fit the agenda of either Brussels or Westminster moving forward. The backstop would mean the UK would have full access to the Single Market without paying a penny or having Freedom of Movement, so it won't happen, far less be permanent. If no trade agreement is reached on time the transition arrangements would simply be extended. The final deal will have to include a UK wide Customs Union that avoids a hard border in Ireland and in the Irish Sea. I think the DUP's aim is for a hard border in Ireland through a No Deal Brexit, if they're worried that won't happen and there might be a softer or no Brexit at all, they'll sign May's deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, welshbairn said: ...The final deal will have to include a UK wide Customs Union that avoids a hard border in Ireland and in the Irish Sea... That's only doable with an EEA type arrangement, which effectively means staying inside the EU but having no political say and the ERG type Brexiters won't accept that. With May's deal any attempt to break meaningfully from the EU on issues like trade deals in future leaves NI in the EU's Customs Union and leads to border checks at the Irish sea. Both Brussels and Westminster know this and no amount of intellectual contortions will change that reality. The DUP and TUV were morons to back Brexit in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: 2 hours ago, Suspect Device said: https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7886 According to the link we have a net contribution of £8.9bn but according to your map we get £9.3 bn back. Seems like a good deal to me. ETA and why has the north of Scotland been cut off your map? Typical central belt bias. How much of the 9.3billion is tax and how much is borrowing No idea. Actually, looking at the figures in the link, they don't even include money from the structural fund so I think I'll need some more investigation. That's the problem with taking what folk on here say as fact. If you don't know the sources and dig deeper into them they're not much use. Including the link I posted. Much like a headline figure on the side of a bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: If true these c***s must be immediately expelled from the Labour Party. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-talks-labour-theresa-may-cabinet-eu-a8825421.html Quote One Labour MP involved told The Independent: “If we get the assurances we want, then up to 20 Labour MPs could back her when the vote comes back. Oh they'll get these "assurances" but will they mean anything? We saw what happened with all these "assurances" she claimed to have got from the EU on the backstop. They just didn't exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 More jobs going https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/14/body-shop-announces-jobs-to-go-to-germany-in-wake-of-brexit-8898082/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wetherspoons-profit-brexit-no-deal-tim-martin-theresa-may-a8824466.html haha GIRUYI'm delighted to have personally contributed to this; four of us used to meet every second Friday at the local Spoons but immediately Martin started peddling his Brexit message on the beermats that was enough for me. He followed up on that by dropping a range of continental drinks.An astute businessman would maybe ponder the outcome but it would appear the grizzled fool has Trumposis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 More jobs goinghttps://metro.co.uk/2019/03/14/body-shop-announces-jobs-to-go-to-germany-in-wake-of-brexit-8898082/ It's 'cos of the diesel, innit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 That looks like a right good turnout for Farage's 'March Of Mistruths'. One hundred folk really shows the overwhelming conviction of the Brexit lobby and fully justifies the media coverage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: That looks like a right good turnout for Farage's 'March Of Mistruths'. One hundred folk really shows the overwhelming conviction of the Brexit lobby and fully justifies the media coverage. Posted this picture on the Civil War thread. You get more people turning up for a car boot sale in Forres. Can't see many of them managing the 20 miles a day. Edited March 16, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Posted this picture on the Civil War thread. You get more people turning up for a car boot sale in Forres. Can't see many of them managing the 20 miles a day. Cold War Steve really needs to go to town on this photo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Was she taking the piss?No the local council did... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Was she taking the piss? She was certainly talking shite. Just like the rest of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Posted this picture on the Civil War thread. You get more people turning up for a car boot sale in Forres. Can't see many of them managing the 20 miles a day.A stunning display of diversity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: That looks like a right good turnout for Farage's 'March Of Mistruths'. One hundred folk really shows the overwhelming conviction of the Brexit lobby and fully justifies the media coverage. It's good that they are getting typical 'little english' weather for their walk. I hope there's a whole fucking alphabet of storms lined up over the next two weeks. Storm 'Nigel' will fizzle out before really starting. (I know it's Niamh ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: 6 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: I don't think she would be all that bothered. Yes, you're right, wee Nicola is a far more responsible and effective politician. I certainly wouldn't disagree there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 10:50, John Lambies Doos said: Wid until it fell off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tongue_tied_danny Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, ArabianKnight said: Wid until it fell off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Agree that the UUP and indeed even the SDLP should have been in a good position to hoover up votes if the DUP cave this week, but as you say welshbairn, UUP hold a similar line on Brexit. Still don't see how any political party can set a red line and then overturn it when nothing has changed though. Just need everyone to hold the line on Tuesday and push the EU into a long extension at the moment. Brings the chance of revocation closer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 Not a total surprisehttps://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/better-than-5050-chance-that-the-government-can-get-the-dup-on-board-for-meaningful-vote-3/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: Not a total surprisehttps://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/better-than-5050-chance-that-the-government-can-get-the-dup-on-board-for-meaningful-vote-3/ A little bribery and corruption can work wonders. (Especially with politicians) How awful will it be if her tactics of running the clock down see her crap deal get voted through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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