LongTimeLurker Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Gove threatened them with direct rule today after a hard brexit, which is more likely to lead to a border poll than a back stop. There already is direct rule because SF collapsed Stormont, so not sure where you are going with that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 May is now running on fumes, her cabinet authority shredded, and I'm finding it difficult to contemplate her managing to get her deal across the line. Surely blind dogma and party loyalty must hit the buffers at some time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Only 1 option left now. Revoke Article 50 and get troops on the streets. (Well in England anyway) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, ICTJohnboy said: Only 1 option left now. Revoke Article 50 and get troops on the streets. (Well in England anyway) Fingers crossed that revoke article 50 bit happens if they can't get unanimity on an extension. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) The other point is even if she does somehow get her meaningful vote round 3 through next week, members of her own cabinet turned on her tonight. The rule of ministers always voting with the gov is gone and that’s a sign of a government that has fallen apart. There could be a general election even if she does get it through next week. Edited March 13, 2019 by Londonwell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Londonwell said: I’m sure Steve Baker said in Parliament that he and others wouldn’t be supporting her deal next week, perhaps I misheard. You didn’t mishear, he said that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 It’s kinda funny that all the precedents and traditions that hold parliament together are just being smashed by this zombie government on a weekly basis and they’re just plodding on regardless. What a laughable shambles this country is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: There already is direct rule because SF collapsed Stormont, so not sure where you are going with that. Direct rule from London changes everything, at the moment there are just some civil servants trying to stop things falling apart. And I'd say the DUP were equally to blame. Edited March 13, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Apparently Bercow can stop it being voted on a third time if there is no significant change to the bill under the rules and standing orders of the house. It seemed like he was hinting that his advice could be sought on this. Perhaps an ammendment to tomorrow's motion, ruling out the WA coming back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Haven't various high-ranking Tories been previously trying to get rid of Bercow and replace him with someone a tad more pliable? It would be such a shame if he refused to allow May's shitshow to return and such previous skullduggery played some small part in his decision 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Could now be.....vote to ask for an extension tomorrow (seems likely)...She has a 3rd go at the same deal, probably on Tuesday...same result (don't see 75 Tories switching at this stage), next Thursday the EU say 'no' to an extension, as what is the point?....following week ('Brexit' week at that)...motion is passed in the Commons to revoke Article 50, no 2nd Ref, whole show called off at the last minute as its either Revoke and stay, or leave with no deal, as the only two options left... May resigns, GE is called, and the Tories win a clear majority on a low turnout, as Corbyn is still Labour leader. Scenes in Hartlepool, Scarborough, Blackpool etc.. Edited March 13, 2019 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Could now be.....vote to ask for an extension tomorrow (seems likely)...She has a 3rd go at the same deal, probably on Tuesday...same result (don't see 75 Tories switching at this stage), next Thursday the EU say 'no' to an extension, as what is the point?....following week ('Brexit' week at that)...motion is passed in the Commons to revoke Article 50, no 2nd Ref, whole show called off at the last minute as its either Revoke and stay, or leave with no deal, as the only two options left... May resigns, GE is called, and the Tories win a clear majority on a low turnout, as Corbyn is still Labour leader. Scenes in Hartlepool, Scarborough, Blackpool etc..Under those circumstances there's no way the Tories would hang together. A hard Brexit group would either break away, or take over and force the 'moderates' out. Hung parliament I reckon, with parties split like f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Did Maybot vote against her own deal? [emoji23]She motioned that the house reject leaving the EU without a deal on 29th of March but it was amended to reject leaving the EU without a deal at any point and she then voted against this amended motion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 As others have said,if they don’t get an extension then I think they will revoke Article 50. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 If May tries to brazen this out it will come down to the binary choice of Hard Brexit or revocation. That was always a possibility but seemed unlikely. She’s going to offer no alternate plan to justify an extension and there’s a good chance the EU27 will refuse. She obviously sees herself as resolute and strong whereas in reality she’s pig headed and blinkered. It’s self delusion of frightening proportions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Someone asked the speaker if the will of the house trumps the will of the people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 If May tries to brazen this out it will come down to the binary choice of Hard Brexit or revocation. That was always a possibility but seemed unlikely. She’s going to offer no alternate plan to justify an extension and there’s a good chance the EU27 will refuse. She obviously sees herself as resolute and strong whereas in reality she’s pig headed and blinkered. It’s self delusion of frightening proportions. Frightening is an understatement - the problem is that those Tories who keep voting against her keep rallying to her straight afterwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: There already is direct rule because SF collapsed Stormont, so not sure where you are going with that. Norn Irn doesn't have direct rule at the moment - it has no rule. Civil servants are holding public services together with sticky-backed plastic and pipe cleaners. They've tried doing some form of governing themselves and been defeated in court. \The true reason Stormont isn't sitting is because the DUP had a really bad election and ended up with the same number of seats as SF, and with unionists not having an overall majority. Polls since have shown that they'd do much better, so they'll happily sit it out until there are more elections, and in the meantime they'll bleed the UK government through their influence at Westminster. But it's ok cos it's not like there's any risk to the peace process or the status of Northern Ireland or major political issues going on at the moment or anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I don't often post over here in the politics sections and stuff, so I'd just like to say that I hadn't realised that at least 308 honourable members of the UK House of Commons are dribbling imbeciles who shouldn't be allowed power over anything greater than a tuck shop. A No Deal outcome would be the worst act of governance in the democratic history of Britain. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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