Londonwell Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Kejan said: May's voice She's apparently not speaking this afternoon now as it's too sore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Detournement said: A hard border at Gretna would not be popular here. Who is proposing one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Donathan said: Let's be clear, a hard border at Gretna would be every bit as much of a disaster as a hard border in Ireland. The whole technology argument is absolute bullshit. It wouldn't threaten the Good Friday Agreement and put the terrorism threat front and centre so as hard borders go, it's less of an issue. It would cause intra-UK issues but I don't suppose business in the North of England would be enthralled. Keep in mind that the hard border would be at England's behest as we'd support freedom of movement. In terms of supplies coming in from the EU, Scotland has enough about it to give England a bye. We've got plenty port and airport capacity. Edited March 13, 2019 by HTG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Who is proposing one? People who are proposing that if NI has different status in regards to the EU within rUK then so should Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 UK government asset Carole Cadwalladr thinks that Brexity types are conspiring with Italy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, HTG said: It wouldn't threaten the Good Friday Agreement and put the terrorism threat front and centre so as hard borders go, it's less of an issue. It would cause intra-UK issues but I don't suppose business in the North of England would be enthralled. Keep in mind that the hard border would be at England's behest as we'd support freedom of movement. In terms of supplies coming in from the EU, Scotland has enough about it to give England a bye. We've got plenty port and airport capacity. The problem is the many businesses in both Dumfries & Galloway and Cumbria that rely on the seamless transition between Scotland and England, the services that are shared between the area etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, HTG said: We've got plenty port and airport capacity. We could easily have in the future but currently we don't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Detournement said: People who are proposing that if NI has different status in regards to the EU within rUK then so should Scotland. Who is proposing this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: We could easily have in the future but currently we don't. That's why we're building a new east-coast container port. We've ample airport capacity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Who is proposing this? @The Skelpit Lug suggested it's not viable to give NI a special status without giving Scotland one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: That's why we're building a new east-coast container port. We've ample airport capacity. Rosyth? Is that actually happening? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, renton said: Rosyth? Is that actually happening? I don't think they've settled on a site yet. Rosyth, Grangemouth and a new site on the Forth have all been considered as far as I know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Donathan said: @The Skelpit Lug suggested it's not viable to give NI a special status without giving Scotland one. For the sake of clarity here, you said in your argument NI would get special status. I asked if you were suggesting only NI would get this and not Scotland with highest remain vote. Never mentioned or suggested a hard border. Cheers. Edited March 13, 2019 by The Skelpit Lug Spelling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The problem is the many businesses in both Dumfries & Galloway and Cumbria that rely on the seamless transition between Scotland and England, the services that are shared between the area etc Tell that to the UK government who were almost onto building a wall rhetoric during the last referendum. It would hit the shitholes in the north England a whole lot more than it would Scotland. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: Tell that to the UK government who were almost onto building a wall rhetoric during the last referendum. It would hit the shitholes in the north England a whole lot more than it would Scotland. Correct - military at the border. Utter bollocks when you see them twisting in the wind about "it won't be us that puts up a hard border with Ireland, it'll be the EU". UK is desperate to avoid a hard border but in 2014 were promoting the hardest of borders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Who is proposing one?I am, they’re sending bad hombres, rapists, murderers and drugs over the border. So im suggesting we build a wall and we’ll make England pay for the wall, it’ll be beautiful and yuuge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) The extension to Article 50 now likely to produce either a revocation of the aforesaid article or a 2nd Ref, which Remain are likely to win, based on a high proportion of Leave voters not bothering to turn out, thinking whats the point? Can't see Brexit ever happening now. Tbh, as an ardent 'Remainer', it is still pretty shoddy that you can hold a vote where 17.5 million vote one way, and it just never gets implemented. Ultimately, it is better for the economy and the country to stay in, but what does it say about politics in the country? It was still the case that, had Brexit actually happened, that in 5 or 10 years time we could have held another vote on reapplying for membership, once the full effects of it were felt. That in honesty would have been more democratic than just cancelling the whole show at this stage. Edited March 13, 2019 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Judge Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jedi said: The extension to Article 50 now likely to produce either a revocation of the aforesaid article or a 2nd Ref, which Remain are likely to win, based on a high proportion of Leave voters not bothering to turn out, thinking whats the point? Wasn't the result of the first referendum expected to be a win for 'Remain'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Indeed. However, few weeks ago I reckoned that Leavers would be so enraged by a 2nd Ref that they would turn out again, and swing it to their side. Now I think a lot of them won't bother, which could lead to a thumping Remain win...what happens after that (apart from staying in the EU obviously) who knows. One thing I don't like about the EU tbh is their track record for re-voting until they get the result they want. I see a lot of plus points in the EU 'project' and still absolutely believe we are better off inside it, but the re-voting ain't one of them. Also, surely the EU will come out and say 'okay, you can have an extension, but only to hold a 2nd Ref, otherwise whats the point'? Edited March 13, 2019 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Jedi said: Indeed. However, few weeks ago I reckoned that Leavers would be so enraged by a 2nd Ref that they would turn out again, and swing it to their side. Now I think a lot of them won't bother, which could lead to a thumping Remain win...what happens after that (apart from staying in the EU obviously) who knows. One thing I don't like about the EU tbh is their track record for re-voting until they get the result they want. I see a lot of plus points in the EU 'project' and still absolutely believe we are better off inside it, but the re-voting ain't one of them. Also, surely the EU will come out and say 'okay, you can have an extension, but only to hold a 2nd Ref, otherwise whats the point'? The Government have had 3 years to negotiate a deal with the EU and it's so shite, mainly because of May's red lines, that Parliament have thrown it out, twice and with record breaking majorities. When the Government is transparently incapable of doing the job it seems to me it would be quite honourable to ask the electorate to confirm or change their opinion. If the No Deal option had been the publicly advertised Leave position in the last referendum Remain would have won it at a stroll. Edited March 13, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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