Granny Danger Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Evidence to back up my assertion that Accrington is a hole? Yes, tons. So nothing to support the opinion that first time voters there would buck the national trend? Accrington is in the Hyndburn District of Lancashire where the vote to Leave was just shy of 2-1. So that means that there are tens of thousands of Remain supporters; you talk as if there are none and that all the new voters think the same way. It strikes me as blinkered and prejudicial. Blackburn was far closer - 56.3% to 44.7% - but a poll reported in the Lancashire Telegraph in September 2018 showed a swing in the other direction to 54.1% Remain. Attitudes are changing and there is evidence to support that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: So nothing to support the opinion that first time voters there would buck the national trend? Accrington is in the Hyndburn District of Lancashire where the vote to Leave was just shy of 2-1. So that means that there are tens of thousands of Remain supporters; you talk as if there are none and that all the new voters think the same way. It strikes me as blinkered and prejudicial. Blackburn was far closer - 56.3% to 44.7% - but a poll reported in the Lancashire Telegraph in September 2018 showed a swing in the other direction to 54.1% Remain. Attitudes are changing and there is evidence to support that. 2 - 1 is pretty fucking substantial, is it not? I honestly don't know how new voters would vote given another referendum, and of course who knows what would the question be this time? I strongly suspect Accrington as a hole overall would still vote leave by a substantial majority. From what I can gather many of the local electorate here would be quite happy for a No deal to come out of all this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainspotter Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Accrington as a hole This was very much under appreciated the first time but you are in danger of flogging it to death. I haven’t been to Accrington mind you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 This was very much under appreciated the first time but you are in danger of flogging it to death. I haven’t been to Accrington mind you.He should f**k off back to Spain if he doesn't like proud English patriotism imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The Brexiteers are shitting themselves; they know the tide has turned against them and a new vote would be Remain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, Granny Danger said: The Brexiteers are shitting themselves; they know the tide has turned against them and a new vote would be Remain. I'm not so sure that would be the outcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The Brexiteers are shitting themselves; they know the tide has turned against them and a new vote would be Remain. Aye, I notice the right-wing papers are attempting a hard sell that a growing number of the electorate are moving towards a No Deal.Apart from the fact that there is almost certainly no firm impartial evidence to support this, it's indicative of the desperation setting in and confirms that Telegraph, The Mail and The Express will throw the propaganda kitchen sink in the coming days.Expect The Express to run with a cut-out and keep Spitfire this Tuesday [emoji927] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I'm not so sure that would be the outcome.Oh yes it would - you expect Swindon for example to repeat the idiocy ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, O'Kelly Isley III said: Just now, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: I'm not so sure that would be the outcome. Oh yes it would - you expect Swindon for example to repeat the idiocy ? In England? It is likely. They have a little Englander mentality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: 2 hours ago, trainspotter said: This was very much under appreciated the first time but you are in danger of flogging it to death. I haven’t been to Accrington mind you. He should f**k off back to Spain if he doesn't like proud English patriotism imo. It was proud English patriotism that drove me out of Spain. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: The Brexiteers are shitting themselves; they know the tide has turned against them and a new vote would be Remain. I take it you have evidence to back this up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, kirkyblue2 said: I take it you have evidence to back this up. Have a look at virtually any opinion poll from the last 18 months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Opinion polls are in a similar place to where they were in the lead up to the referendum. They don't count for much right now as everything changes once campaigning starts and "Tell Them Again" would be a strong position for leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: Opinion polls are in a similar place to where they were in the lead up to the referendum. They don't count for much right now as everything changes once campaigning starts and "Tell Them Again" would be a strong position for leave. Do you believe the xenophobes would win a second referendum? If you do what's your evidence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, kirkyblue2 said: I take it you have evidence to back this up. The shitting themselves bit? Yes, the fact that they are determined to do everything they can to avoid a second referendum. The result bit? Yes; I’ve already posted examples of this in my last few posts and would add to that any recent independent polls. Now I’ve andwered your questions I would ask if you can offer any evidence to the contrary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Sure they said on the Marr Show leave would win. It’s all speculation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Do you believe the xenophobes would win a second referendum? If you do what's your evidence? They won the first one. It could obviously go either way but they would have a betrayal narrative which would be very effective. There is also the issue of who would lead the Remain side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: They won the first one. It could obviously go either way but they would have a betrayal narrative which would be very effective. There is also the issue of who would lead the Remain side. No evidence then. I thought so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Bit difficult for remain to win if that’s not an option. Could be May’s deal or no deal, wouldn’t that be funny? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: No evidence then. I thought so. There's no evidence Remain would win either! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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