Detournement Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 If they don't vote for May's deal Brexit will probably never happen. Their priority is getting out of the EU. Once they do they can start campaigning against the deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Detournement said: If they don't vote for May's deal Brexit will probably never happen. Their priority is getting out of the EU. Once they do they can start campaigning against the deal. There is no deal, they just have to concede on the backstop to leave the EU on the 29th. Then it's an open contest. Which they'll lose. Edited March 3, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I think that what we're witnessing is the sound of the Brexit can being kicked down the road. The DUP and the ERG now realize that the Conservative Party won't allow themselves to continue to be held hostage by them. The people in the ERG are Conservative through and through, they have nowhere else to go, and if they are seen to break the party , they are finished, individually and collectively. So all the posturing , and 'softening', etc etc is political minds working to cover themselves, and amidst the verbosity, the can going clunkety, clunk, clunk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Naah..... If they were to run with a campaign along the lines of :"Scotland is effectively out of the EU because that's what England voted for" The chances are that is how it will pan out, and will prove to be absolutely true. Don't you think a majority of Scots would consider that, and vote accordingly?I think you’re making a bit of a ropey assumption that No/Remain voters felt more strongly about the latter and thus would now be willing to support independence in order to remain in the EU.Whilst it’s true that an awful lot of the 55% who voted No would have also voted Remain (although not universal by any means, as I’d hazard a guess that the million Scots who voted Leave were almost exclusively No voters), it’s worth remembering that a lot of them will feel more strongly about the UK union than the EU, and thus upon realising that we can only have one or the other, would still vote to stay in the UK and accept Brexit as a consequence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 I think you’re making a bit of a ropey assumption that No/Remain voters felt more strongly about the latter and thus would now be willing to support independence in order to remain in the EU.Whilst it’s true that an awful lot of the 55% who voted No would have also voted Remain (although not universal by any means, as I’d hazard a guess that the million Scots who voted Leave were almost exclusively No voters), it’s worth remembering that a lot of them will feel more strongly about the UK union than the EU, and thus upon realising that we can only have one or the other, would still vote to stay in the UK and accept Brexit as a consequence.Apart from Granny Danger of course 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Not quite so straight forward. The changes the DUP and ERG want, in the way that they want, will not be forthcoming. Caroline Flint speaks for herself and herself only. Not many more of her colleagues have spoken out; certainly not the 30 she’s claiming. On this issue, any Labour MPs who breaks a whip and supports May’s deal should be immediately kicked out of the Labour Party.I have no choice but to agree on your last point here. If a handful of Labour MPs end up backing a fudged version of May’s deal and getting it over the line, then Corbyn absolutely must show a backbone and kick them out.But he will be secretly happy to see Brexit through so he won’t do that, IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Donathan said: I think you’re making a bit of a ropey assumption that No/Remain voters felt more strongly about the latter and thus would now be willing to support independence in order to remain in the EU. Whilst it’s true that an awful lot of the 55% who voted No would have also voted Remain (although not universal by any means, as I’d hazard a guess that the million Scots who voted Leave were almost exclusively No voters), it’s worth remembering that a lot of them will feel more strongly about the UK union than the EU, and thus upon realising that we can only have one or the other, would still vote to stay in the UK and accept Brexit as a consequence. How many No voters in the Indyref do you think did so because of all the assertions and assurances that was the only way Scotland could continue to remain in the EU? I wouldn't agree that many Scots feel more strongly about the UK union than the EU. I certainly feel very strongly about the UK union - strongly in that I would prefer to be out of it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, beefybake said: I think that what we're witnessing is the sound of the Brexit can being kicked down the road. I hope to fucking god that you're right - and I suspect you are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Always said, and you lot scoffed, the EU will come to a deal to get their 39 Billion. It will happen, maybe Brexit will be delayed for a time though it should not be. The EU is facing a recision and it needs the money. We had the choice. Leave or remain. Leave was the result and leave we will do. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Always said, and you lot scoffed, the EU will come to a deal to get their 39 Billion. It will happen, maybe Brexit will be delayed for a time though it should not be. The EU is facing a recision and it needs the money. We had the choice. Leave or remain. Leave was the result and leave we will do. "We". But not Scotland eh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 45 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Always said, and you lot scoffed, the EU will come to a deal to get their 39 Billion. It will happen, maybe Brexit will be delayed for a time though it should not be. The EU is facing a recision and it needs the money. We had the choice. Leave or remain. Leave was the result and leave we will do. We voted to remain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, sureiknow said: Always said, and you lot scoffed, the EU will come to a deal to get their 39 Billion. It will happen, maybe Brexit will be delayed for a time though it should not be. The EU is facing a recision and it needs the money. We had the choice. Leave or remain. Leave was the result and leave we will do. Is a recision a decision that needs to be thought out again ? If so I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 How many No voters in the Indyref do you think did so because of all the assertions and assurances that was the only way Scotland could continue to remain in the EU? I wouldn't agree that many Scots feel more strongly about the UK union than the EU. I certainly feel very strongly about the UK union - strongly in that I would prefer to be out of it! The respective turnout of the two referendums would show that most people care more about the UK Union, whether they want to be in or out of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Donathan said: I think you’re making a bit of a ropey assumption that No/Remain voters felt more strongly about the latter and thus would now be willing to support independence in order to remain in the EU. Whilst it’s true that an awful lot of the 55% who voted No would have also voted Remain (although not universal by any means, as I’d hazard a guess that the million Scots who voted Leave were almost exclusively No voters), it’s worth remembering that a lot of them will feel more strongly about the UK union than the EU, and thus upon realising that we can only have one or the other, would still vote to stay in the UK and accept Brexit as a consequence. Between the Alex Neil/ Jim Sillars Scottish nationalists, and the Yes voters voting leave so that England and Scotland would vote differently on the EU (and therefore signal a massive shift in the polls towards yes), the idea that Yes voters nearly exclusively voted Remain is ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, BawWatchin said: "We". But not Scotland eh. 7 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: We voted to remain. Unfortunately England voted Leave so we just have to accept that. That's what being in the Union is all about. Eta... What will Scotland's share of the 1.6billion bribe offered to areas in the north of England to create more prosperity amount to? Edited March 4, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Went to the cinema at the weekend to watch 'Vice'.....the (supposed) story of how Dick Cheney and a shadowy cabal of dodgy right-wing associates effectively took over the USA and little by little imposed their ideology on every aspect of governance, to the benefit of almost nobody except from Cheney himself and the shareholders of Halliburton. I suspect that in 10 years time we're going to have a similar movie about Brexit. It's a great film by the way. Masterful performance by Christian Bale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Heard on the radio this morning that Cox is giving up trying to ‘persuade’ the EU on putting and end date on the backstop. Finally reality is dawning. Any Labour MP who facilitates May’s Brexit plan in exchange for a few pounds after his/her constituents have been forced to suffer years of austerity will be forever damned in the court of public opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Carrot and stick works. Better to get a carrot than nothing at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: Carrot and stick works. Better to get a carrot than nothing at all. Aye, for donkeys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Nice to see Scotland's 13 lick spittle tory mp's rolling over and getting tickled as they get Scotland the grand total of f**k all from Theresa Mays bribery pot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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