Baxter Parp Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: The Japan/EU trade deal was probably a bigger factor, The free tariff for vehicles doesn't kick in for seven years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: The free tariff for vehicles doesn't kick in for seven years. There's a transition, but why would Honda or Nissan make a decision to stop or close production lines years ahead, a few weeks before Brexit conditions will be much clearer? Doubts about Brexit would have been in their minds, but car manufacture is a long term game, and I think the shift from diesel and towards electric, plus eventual free trade from Japan to the EU would have been the crucial things that made their minds up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 There's a transition, but why would Honda or Nissan make a decision to stop or close production lines years ahead, a few weeks before Brexit conditions will be much clearer? Doubts about Brexit would have been in their minds, but car manufacture is a long term game, and I think the shift from diesel and towards electric, plus eventual free trade from Japan to the EU would have been the crucial things that made their minds up. The lines are being stopped once the model run ends. There's no point building a new line in a country only to stop it a few years later. The end date of the models currently in production will be know years in advance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 So just to clarify you’re not a big fan of GD’s vote. Should try make that clearer next time. FFS, Granny didn't vote leave did he?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: Having read some newspaper below the line stuff today, I think we can add Investment Appraisal 101 to the long list of classes that Leave justifiers didn't bother paying any attention to. Do you have a list of any they did attend? Or even just walked past an open door and got some information by accident? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 We can all breath a sigh of relief, a solution has been found. Brexit backstop talks: Theresa May to present EU with new proposals https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/19/brexit-backstop-may-rules-out-malthouse-compromise The new proposal is to seek a legal assurance that the backstop will not be indefinite. I don’t think this has been suggested before, it will be interesting to see the EU response. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NotThePars Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, btb said: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Anna Soubry and 2 others off to join new group... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, capybara said: Anna Soubry and 2 others off to join new group... What was it Marx said about being a member of a club? (Groucho not Karl!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/britons-may-need-52-visa-to-visit-mainland-europe-after-brexit But I thought we'd see no difference after Brexit! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Katya Adler on the BBC exposing the myth of last minute capitulation by the EU that some posters on here seem to buy into. Bottom line, the EU has compromised at the last minute in negotiations when it was in the interest of the bloc to do so. It is not in their interests to capitulate on an issue that will ultimately weaken the EU27. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Katya Adler on the BBC exposing the myth of last minute capitulation by the EU that some posters on here seem to buy into. Bottom line, the EU has compromised at the last minute in negotiations when it was in the interest of the bloc to do so. It is not in their interests to capitulate on an issue that will ultimately weaken the EU27. Spain will veto any extension due to Gibraltar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Katya Adler on the BBC exposing the myth of last minute capitulation by the EU that some posters on here seem to buy into. Bottom line, the EU has compromised at the last minute in negotiations when it was in the interest of the bloc to do so. It is not in their interests to capitulate on an issue that will ultimately weaken the EU27. Spain will veto any extension due to Gibraltar I really hope so. I wonder if the pending Spanish elections will make most/all parties in Spain take a tougher line on Gibraltar. Again I really hope so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 I really hope so. I wonder if the pending Spanish elections will make most/all parties in Spain take a tougher line on Gibraltar. Again I really hope so. It's a golden opportunity for Spain. Probably the best she's had for a long time. Gibraltar really is the forgotten territory in all this, Spanish elections are timed to perfection 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just watched the first of the new John Oliver programme, good bit on Brexit. “Britain is like Pompeii if Pompeii had voted for the volcano”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: I really hope so. I wonder if the pending Spanish elections will make most/all parties in Spain take a tougher line on Gibraltar. Again I really hope so. Do you want a hard brexit? Otherwise I think you might be having another logic malfunction. An extension of A50 is the only way out of it other than May's deal. Edited February 20, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Do you want a hard brexit? Otherwise I think you might be having another logic malfunction. An extension of A50 is the only way out of it other than May's deal. No. I am of the firm opinion that if Parliament end up with a binary choice of a Hard Brexit and revoking Article 50 they will go for the latter. If May’s deal is rejected and an extension is denied then that binary choice will exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: No. I am of the firm opinion that if Parliament end up with a binary choice of a Hard Brexit and revoking Article 50 they will go for the latter. If May’s deal is rejected and an extension is denied then that binary choice will exist. There is zero chance of Parliament voting for revoking A50. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There is zero chance of Parliament voting for revoking A50. You are entitled to your opinion. If it were to come down to a choice of revocation or No Deal I am firmly convinced they would vote for revocation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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