welshbairn Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Say what you want about Ken Clarke, a serious politician who knows what he is talking about and knows how to talk. He must be thinking he's ended up in a Commons full of primary school pupils. There have always been lots of idiots but he's looking isolated as the only responsible adult. Made a good point to day that the Peoples Vote brigade are just as dangerous as the ERG in being utterly against any compromise that could get a majority in the house and stop the inevitable slide to a hard brexit, which will happen if May allows it and Parliament don't agree on something to stop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 This guys completely out of his depth getting on a bus never mind being a front bench politician. Grade A politicians are disappearing to not be replaced by people of the same quality. Say what you want about Ken Clarke, a serious politician who knows what he is talking about and knows how to talk. Kier Starmer comes across as knowing what he is talking about but is clearly held back by Corbyn. Similar with Holyrood as well. Salmond and Swinney were miles ahead of everyone else at the time. Derek Mackay needs taxpayers money to go on a speaking course. Doubt Swinney needed that.Derek Mackay is far better at dealing with TV interviews than Swinney ever was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Perhaps Nicola and Co will shut up about working with Labour now, or anytime in the future. I know she would love to play a part in bringing down a Tory gov/t but really she needs to concentrate much more on creating an independent Scotland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: Perhaps Nicola and Co will shut up about working with Labour now, or anytime in the future. I know she would love to play a part in bringing down a Tory gov/t but really she needs to concentrate much more on creating an independent Scotland. There is so much wrong with this post I don’t know where to begin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There is so much wrong with this post I don’t know where to begin. Oh go on, I'm sure you can make a start on it. Maybe you could start by reading, and trying to absorb this : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-deal-nicola-sturgeon-corbyn-no-confidence-motion-vote-labour-snp-commons-a8676136.html Edited February 14, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 51 minutes ago, welshbairn said: He must be thinking he's ended up in a Commons full of primary school pupils. There have always been lots of idiots but he's looking isolated as the only responsible adult. Made a good point to day that the Peoples Vote brigade are just as dangerous as the ERG in being utterly against any compromise that could get a majority in the house and stop the inevitable slide to a hard brexit, which will happen if May allows it and Parliament don't agree on something to stop it. In the end, Clarke is just another party hack. Blowing it out his a*se. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I sometimes think posters on here have no idea how politics works. When we avoid a Hard Brexit it will be due in part to the actions of MPs many of whom we (rightly) have nothing but contempt for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 We're crashing out with no deal on the 29th of March. It's been pretty obvious for a while now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I sometimes think posters on here have no idea how politics works. When we avoid a Hard Brexit it will be due in part to the actions of MPs many of whom we (rightly) have nothing but contempt for. There's so much wrong with that post, I really don't know where to begin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: There's so much wrong with that post, I really don't know where to begin. You probably think that was clever/witty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Anna Soubry and that other MP* that did the tour of Britain and complained about austerity love to complain about the effects of policies they repeatedly sign on for. *All Tories 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: You probably think that was clever/witty. Not particularly, but you do come across as the only person left in the whole world who can't quite grasp that a hard brexit is becoming more and more the likeliest outcome in this Westminster farce. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 We're crashing out with no deal on the 29th of March. It's been pretty obvious for a while now.Richard Seymour describing May’s strategy as “panicked inertia” is bang on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Uhh. Had a quick look at oddschecker there - UK to leave EU with no brexit deal before 01/04/2019 is at 7/4. S-shouldn't they be a lot longer than that? Does that mean that it's being pretty heavily backed on the bookies markets and therefore has a meaningful chance of happening in reality, rather than in some sort of flu-induced fever dream? Theres also been items about NHS trusts preparing for a No Deal brexit. It can't be a real possibility. Surely. There's a significant school of thought (well, apart from people who have enough capital to be able to shift their money about in various currencies/investments and are looking to profit from the damage) that no deal is a disatrous prospect for almost everyone. It's dawning on me; are we fucked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Not particularly, but you do come across as the only person left in the whole world who can't quite grasp that a hard brexit is becoming more and more the likeliest outcome in this Westminster farce. There is absolutely no majority in Westminster for No Deal, absolutely none. It’s one of the very few things that’s clear in Parliament on the Brexit issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Parliament doesn't need to vote through a No Deal. It happens by default if they don't vote through an alternative. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, Bully Wee Villa said: Parliament doesn't need to vote through a No Deal. It happens by default if they don't vote through an alternative. Duh. MPs will vote through an alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There is absolutely no majority in Westminster for No Deal, absolutely none. It’s one of the very few things that’s clear in Parliament on the Brexit issue. So are you saying that May will get her deal through? Just now, Granny Danger said: Duh. MPs will vote through an alternative. Such as? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 David Cleevely #FBPE @DavidCleevely With a heavy heart I have sent the first email laying the ground for moving manufacturing out of the UK because of Brexit and the tariff and certification problems it will cause. Real businesses. Real employment. Real taxes. Lost. This is the geezer that runs the company that makes the Raspberry Pi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I sometimes think posters on here have no idea how politics works. When we avoid a Hard Brexit it will be due in part to the actions of MPs many of whom we (rightly) have nothing but contempt for. Did you not vote for Brexit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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