DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 What happens when the agreement between scotland and rUK is completely different to the white paper? You seem to be putting a lot of trust in the evil Tories to negotiate exactly what the SNP's white paper says. And that White Paper would be an SNP rather than Yes document. What about other visions for an independent Scotland. This is less a criticism of Brexit or independence, but of using referendums to decide such issuesSome decisions do require a referendum to finalise a decision.A White Paper for me sets out the key negotiating points for a Scexit from UK.It at least makes clear what people want and not the Heinz 57 varieties of Leave that we have right now.Secondly a binding referendum is exactly that - it can't be reneged on - so neither side can play games as I think has happened since the EU referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Can we just deny the vote to anyone who doesn't know how to spell "received"? Sounds good to me, "i before e, except after c", has always been a valuable lesson to take through life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 The UK is a net contributor. It has never recieved a penny from the EU. You're ignoring the wider economic benefits of the single market and negotiating trade deals with the leverage of a market of 700 million, never mind that we pay less than our fair share proportionate to our GDP because of the rebate. We contribute more in voluntary overseas aid than we do to the EU budget. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Sounds good to me, "i before e, except after c", has always been a valuable lesson to take through life. I prefer to be more scientific about my spelling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Re folk not knowing who their MEP is; folk didn't give a shit about such things and the EU in general until the media, under direction from the Tories, started making a huge issue out of it and blaming the EU for everything so that folk didn't stop to consider that perhaps the Conservative party might actually be the ones to blame for all the shit. Most political parties barely bothered their arse in canvassing for the EU elections, often putting up almost joke candidates (well more of a joke than the usual useless shites). What were the policies of these candidates? What platforms were they standing for election on? What did they propose to do? If the EU was such an issue then why weren't the parties devising bills and amendments and asking for debate and making alliances in the EU parliament? Why didn't they try to change things? It has faults, but the EU has done loads of good for the UK, with the positives massively outweighing the negatives. Folk are so massively gullible, and massively stupid and lazy that they will swallow any old shite fed to them, and this Brexit pish is just the latest in a long and never ending line. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Re folk not knowing who their MEP is; folk didn't give a shit about such things and the EU in general until the media, under direction from the Tories, started making a huge issue out of it and blaming the EU for everything so that folk didn't stop to consider that perhaps the Conservative party might actually be the ones to blame for all the shit. Most political parties barely bothered their arse in canvassing for the EU elections, often putting up almost joke candidates (well more of a joke than the usual useless shites). What were the policies of these candidates? What platforms were they standing for election on? What did they propose to do? If the EU was such an issue then why weren't the parties devising bills and amendments and asking for debate and making alliances in the EU parliament? Why didn't they try to change things? It has faults, but the EU has done loads of good for the UK, with the positives massively outweighing the negatives. Folk are so massively gullible, and massively stupid and lazy that they will swallow any old shite fed to them, and this Brexit pish is just the latest in a long and never ending line. Because it suited the parties for lot's of political power to sit beyond democratic oversight. The European Tory party have the Parliament sown up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: Sounds good to me, "i before e, except after c", has always been a valuable lesson to take through life. 59 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: I prefer to be more scientific about my spelling. Weird thing to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: Sounds good to me, "i before e, except after c", has always been a valuable lesson to take through life. That ancient wisdom is often wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 He should represent those who elected him as an MP, on whichever manifesto he stood. Not on how they voted in a referendum which (pre-vote, at least) was not party political. Maybe, just maybe, there's still a few voters out there who care about the NHS, education, social care, and social security...There are also the facts that the vote was not by constituency (by council area) and there has been a General Election since 2016.And don't start me about morons who can't comprehend the meaning of 'advisory'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 It was the same in Wales where they get near to 700m funding from the EU in grants each year but still voted leave. Not a damn chance Westminster are going to throw anywhere near that money extra to make up the short fall. Off course not, it's all going to Norn Iron 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, gannonball said: It was the same in Wales where they get near to 700m funding from the EU in grants each year but still voted leave. Not a damn chance Westminster are going to throw anywhere near that money extra to make up the short fall. Off course not, it's all going to Norn Iron Thats a lot of flegs and pineapples on sticks. Edited January 18, 2019 by gannonball 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: That ancient wisdom is often wrong. You'll be more aware of that than most. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 Thats a lot of flegs and pineapples on sticks. Not to mention a fantastic financial boost for McEwans Lager 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: They're in coalition with social democrats. This moderates their power and underlines the point about what is at stake by exiting. In the vast majority of European countries the social democrats are welfare cutting, privatizing, corporate third wayers. As I said it's sown up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: They're in coalition with social democrats. This moderates their power and underlines the point about what is at stake by exiting. Tbf there's one direction the European Project is currently accelerating towards and it's not the left. Also,with this being the centenary of the brutal betrayal and murder of Rosa Luxemburg let's remember what happens when social democrats ally with rabid conservatives. Edited January 18, 2019 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: You'll be more aware of that than most. Fair point. But I’m still younger than you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: That's a fair enough point, and to be honest the choice between slightly rubbish social democrats moderating conservatives in the EU vis broad application directives, versus a binary choice of either social democracy or tory disaster capitalism out of it isn't one I particularly relish. We're not quite at 1920's & 30's Germany levels of poverty, however we're getting there by the day, there's lots of similarities between the social climates which could very easily see the rise of a Hitler type character in this country and indeed a few others in Europe over the coming months and years. I do believe we're close to the crossroads and whatever decisions are taken over the coming months will have long lasting and possibly extreme effects on us all for years to come. This may sound a bit melodramatic but it always does at the time and it's only with the benefit of hindsight that people see what's right in front of them............... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Hope the fruit picking market in suffolk is booming https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1085927932638478339 Edited January 18, 2019 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, WATTOO said: We're not quite at 1920's & 30's Germany levels of poverty, however we're getting there by the day... This may sound a bit melodramatic... A tad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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