DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Was it as credible 'a quick Google' as the one that led to you unearth Anthony C. Pick as the voice of authority on how nationalism works? £20k a year is a very well paid job indeed in a country where land and property values are low and other expenses are far lower as well. I'm sure that the workers would be devastated to learn that they could earn a higher salary in a shithole like Solihull but pay twice as much for most living expenses, four times as much for a bevvy and... have to live in Solihull. The only losers from this straightforward economic exchange are the Brexit-voting gammon population of England. You're wasting your time debating with the new Wolfie Smith H_B - he certainly is a wolf - in sheep's clothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, virginton said: You didn't answer the question champ. I've got no idea what you are talking about. I thought the Dundee moron squad were saying that I am Anthony C. Pick but now i'm completely confused. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Also have you seen Slovakian women Christ yes, I worked with one in Inverness a couple of years ago. Not this one but not unlike her all the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Mostly agree with David Lammy in Parliament today. Brexit is a con, a trick, a swindle, a fraud, a deception that will hurt most of those people it promised to help, a dangerous fantasy which will make every problem it claims to solve worse ... Friends on this side of the House tell me to appease Labour voters in industrial towns - the former miners, the factory workers, those who feel they’ve been left behind. I say we must not patronise them with cowardice, let’s tell them the truth - you were old a lie. Immigrants have not taken your jobs, our schools and colleges failed to give you the skills, hospitals are not crumbling because of health tourists but decades of austerity that ground them down to the bone, you cannot afford a house because both parties failed to build, not because of Mohammed down the road who moved in, and wealth was hoarded in London when it should have been shared across the country. Blame us, blame Westminster, do not blame Brussels for our own country’s mistakes and do not be angry at us for telling you the truth, be angry at the chancers who sold you a lie ... Just as I speak plainly to the government this time around, let me also speak to the pposition about some home truths. There is no leftwing justification for Brexit. Ditching workers’ rights, social protections and ending environmental cooperation is not progressive. This is a project about neo-liberal deregulation, it’s Thatcherism on steroids pushed by her modern-day disciples. Leaving the EU will not free us from the injustices of global capitalism, it will make us subordinate to Trump’s US. Socialism confined to one country will not work, whether you like it or not, the world we live in is global, we can only fix the rigged system if we cooperate across border lines. The party of Keir Hardie has always been international. We must not let down our young supporters by failing to stand with them at the biggest issue of our lives. The party of Keir Hardie was very pro Scottish federalism and in some quarters independence. New Labour and Corbyns wing are just c***sHth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Also have you seen Slovakian women [emoji10]Yup, watched Hostel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Corbyns speech today was awful.Its brexit or brexit vote for me is the recap in case anybody missed it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 People who have a pop at Corbynistas might be to young to remember the various betrayals of the Labour Party establishment right wing. I probably agree with the likes of Lammy, Starmer and Benn on Brexit but the suspicions of activists who have seen this cadre sell out time and again is wholly justified. If Corbyn got run over by a bus tomorrow I can’t think of a single MP who would get the support of the Momentum lot to carry on the job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: People who have a pop at Corbynistas might be to young to remember the various betrayals of the Labour Party establishment right wing. I probably agree with the likes of Lammy, Starmer and Benn on Brexit but the suspicions of activists who have seen this cadre sell out time and again is wholly justified. If Corbyn got run over by a bus tomorrow I can’t think of a single MP who would get the support of the Momentum lot to carry on the job. I assume you are referring to any bus. If, on the other hand, you meant "that bus" (i.e. the referendum bus) then that would be the greatest plot twist ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: People who have a pop at Corbynistas might be to young to remember the various betrayals of the Labour Party establishment right wing. I probably agree with the likes of Lammy, Starmer and Benn on Brexit but the suspicions of activists who have seen this cadre sell out time and again is wholly justified. If Corbyn got run over by a bus tomorrow I can’t think of a single MP who would get the support of the Momentum lot to carry on the job. McDonnell maybe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: Corbyns speech today was awful.Its brexit or brexit vote for me is the recap in case anybody missed it I saw Len McCluskey on the BBC News channel last night at half twelve or something "If Labour were in government we'd have a deal agreed by parliament" Oh, well, that's nice. You say things and they happen, that's how the world works. No wonder Labour are a joke if this is the way significant figures in it think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 McDonnell maybe?Clearly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Corbyn’s old man Brexit slevvers cancels anything good that anyone in the Labour Party says.Lammy and friends are dingied as a weird niche group with no real voice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Lammy was fully in support of the Iraq war. That's bad.He repeatedly (double figures) voted against an inquiry into said war. That will take more than a few crowd pleasing speeches to get my respect.He has said all the right things here,and in the aftermath of Grenfell for instance, but he was absolutely on-message with the previous regime. I'm not convinced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said: I saw Len McCluskey on the BBC News channel last night at half twelve or something "If Labour were in government we'd have a deal agreed by parliament" Oh, well, that's nice. You say things and they happen, that's how the world works. No wonder Labour are a joke if this is the way significant figures in it think. There is a massive amount of personal ambition behind Corbyn wanting an election now. If Parliament carries through its 5 year term Corbyn May no longer be leader due to age; McCluskey may not be in his position of influence due to age. Both are desperate for a shot at power. Fun fact, if there was an election today Corbyn would be the oldest person to assume the PM position for the first time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I don't write off everyone who got it wrong on Iraq. If you weren't clued up on the divisions in Iraq and what I thought were the inevitable consequences, especially with the neocons in charge and their attitude to postwar reconstruction, then getting shot of a seriously evil and murderous regime could seem like a good idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I’m not sure I agree with that but even folk that would should see why voting repeatedly against any inquiry into said war highlights that you’re unwilling to be held accountable for your ghastly decisions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Granny Danger said: People who have a pop at Corbynistas might be to young to remember the various betrayals of the Labour Party establishment right wing. I probably agree with the likes of Lammy, Starmer and Benn on Brexit but the suspicions of activists who have seen this cadre sell out time and again is wholly justified. If Corbyn got run over by a bus tomorrow I can’t think of a single MP who would get the support of the Momentum lot to carry on the job. What's Harry Clarke doing these days? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, Jacksgranda said: What's Harry Clarke doing these days? 6 feet under but still showing more leadership skills than Corbyn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, doulikefish said: 6 feet under but still showing more leadership skills than Corbyn Which Harry Clarke have you got in mind? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I'm just hearing that the Gov/t is about to do something of a U turn on Universal credits. Is this some kind of a concession to labour in an attempt to gain a few votes from them on Tuesday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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