AsimButtHitsASix Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, weegienative said: Traditions like being tolerant and accepting of people? Like believing in free speech? Like believing women are equal? Like believing people should have freedom live their life as they see fit, being gay/trans/bi etc. No matter how much you put the blinkers on, these are not views held by the immigrants coming here from Asia and Africa. Glad you've canvassed opinion of every Asian and African migrant to the UK. Amazing that same sex couples can't even be legally married across the UK but you still put ourselves above people migrating to the UK from nations where they can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, weegienative said: Immigration is key to the economy, certain sectors rely on immigtants (immorally so in my opinion but that's another argument for another day). Unchecked, unskilled immigration is a security risk and offers nothing. Cultures which hold significantly different values to us on far significant things which can't or shouldn't be compromised on, simply can't be allowed to mass migate to an area. For example, there's another thread about lgbt issues being taught in schools. (Personally I'd rather we taught kids at primary school age to be good people rather than introduce adult themes to them but again, that's another issue.) The same people taking the moral high ground in there would be the same people in favour of mass immigration despite immigrants from the middle East being extremely intolerant of lgbt issues, with some coming from cultures which have the death penalty for being gay. Do we want to be importing intolerant cultures? Is that benefiting the country? We could do a swap and send you in their place. Should provide sufficient counter weight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, renton said: That seems fairly backwards. The EU can happily absorb the impact of a No Deal Brexit. Indeed, you'd imagine the other financial centres in Europe would be fairly happy at their growth potential once the City of London begins it's exodus. The EU would rather maintain access to as wide a market as possible, hence it's negotiated a deal that does so for itself, but it has no reason to concede anything to the UK. If the choice was between allowing the UK carte blanche over EU freedoms and losing the UK market through a no deal, then its the latter every day of the week. They Need Us More Than We Need Them - LEAVE NOW !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, weegienative said: Traditions like being tolerant and accepting of people? Like believing in free speech? Like believing women are equal? Like believing people should have freedom live their life as they see fit, being gay/trans/bi etc. No matter how much you put the blinkers on, these are not views held by the immigrants coming here from Asia and Africa. Nor are most of them UK traditions. We do not and have never had “free speech”. The majority of people in the UK have recently shown themselves to be anything but tolerant and welcoming (and nor has it been traditional for them to be). You are just making up positive-sounding stuff and declaring it tradition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 52 minutes ago, Mackie The Staggie said: So...the Tory party held a vote in 2016 for a new leader, now they say they got it wrong and want to redo the vote.... ....but a 2nd referendum will destroy the fabric of democracy mind. They never actually held the vote. They bullied/bribed Leadsom out the running. The compliant media played right along. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Oh dear. I am not saying that everyone who votes Leave again is a thick racist. GROUP "A" - Leave voter who is a thick racist GROUP "B" - All other Leave voters Nobody in GROUP "A" is going to change their mind - IMO Some people in GROUP "B" might change their mind. If enough of them do - that would be great. I'd say group A will consist of less than 0.1% of the Brexit voters. Group B is everyone else. Within Group B you'll have people with a good insight into politics and people who think the BBC and channel 4 are non partisan. Let's call them subgroups 1&2 respectively. Group 1, of which I belong, would only be convinced if there was large scale reform of the EU limited it's remit to the levels of its inception. Group 2, can probably be tricked into voting remain due to all the fannying about and attempts to sabotage the vote. What a victory for democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 32 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said: Tbf, the thick racists are probably delighted with how things are going. Really? That's a stretch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhaleOilBeefHucked Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, weegienative said: Immigration is key to the economy, certain sectors rely on immigtants (immorally so in my opinion but that's another argument for another day). Unchecked, unskilled immigration is a security risk and offers nothing. Cultures which hold significantly different values to us on far significant things which can't or shouldn't be compromised on, simply can't be allowed to mass migate to an area. For example, there's another thread about lgbt issues being taught in schools. (Personally I'd rather we taught kids at primary school age to be good people rather than introduce adult themes to them but again, that's another issue.) The same people taking the moral high ground in there would be the same people in favour of mass immigration despite immigrants from the middle East being extremely intolerant of lgbt issues, with some coming from cultures which have the death penalty for being gay. Do we want to be importing intolerant cultures? Is that benefiting the country? We need immigration full stop. The population is ageing, the birth rate in the UK won't be high enough to support the increasing number of pensioners and maintain current spending levels. At the same time there is near record low unemployment, near record high number of people in employment and yet there is still staff shortages in numerous industries. So you either welcome the immigrants, increase taxation or cut spending including cutting the state pension. The reason people think immigration is out of control is because for decades Westminster governments have not spent on the improving the infrastructure needed for an increasing population, even without taking into account the numbers of immigrants the country needs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: They Need Us More Than We Need Them - LEAVE NOW !!! Absolutely this. Look how the Euro is tumbling against Sterling! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 minute ago, weegienative said: Really? That's a stretch You'd be the guy to ask, I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: No it doesn't. Of course it does. Indyref 2, somehow the pro snp side won (less likely to happen now than 2014), Westminster f**k about and make it impossible for any kind of deal to take place, Indyref result cancelled, Scotland remains part of the UK. There is literally nothing to stop that scenario playing out if Brexit doesn't happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, weegienative said: Immigration is key to the economy, certain sectors rely on immigtants (immorally so in my opinion but that's another argument for another day). Unchecked, unskilled immigration is a security risk and offers nothing. Cultures which hold significantly different values to us on far significant things which can't or shouldn't be compromised on, simply can't be allowed to mass migate to an area. Bah god these damn immigrants. Driving our aging population down, driving down the wages of our unskilled/semi-skilled low paying jobs in the short term during times of recession(not their fault), while driving higher skilled wages up and proving to be a boon to the medium-long term economy (19 out of 20 cases in fact, as four economists studied https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2438552 ). Quote For example, there's another thread about lgbt issues being taught in schools. (Personally I'd rather we taught kids at primary school age to be good people rather than introduce adult themes to them but again, that's another issue.) The same people taking the moral high ground in there would be the same people in favour of mass immigration despite immigrants from the middle East being extremely intolerant of lgbt issues, with some coming from cultures which have the death penalty for being gay. Do we want to be importing intolerant cultures? Is that benefiting the country? Or maybe we can just present the facts about LBGT issues and kids can make up their own mind rather than listening to their old da and how they reacted to it back in the day. Heck, maybe these migrant's children that might learn these things themselves and better educate their parents themselves eh? Edited December 12, 2018 by the jambo-rocker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 For anyone who hasn't done it yet, not seeing this tedious c**t's board flaming really improves the quality of the site. I strongly recommend it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Pull My Strings said: You'd be the guy to ask, I suppose. Ahh I'm a thick racist, gotcha. Does that make you kind of thick too then? You're trying to prove the logic that I'm happy with all this despite me being accused of being angry and seething every few pages? At least be consistent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 If there genuinely isn't the votes there to get rid of her (if the public outpouring of support seems to suggest), how did the ERG let the 48 letters go in? I still wonder if May - or someone in her inner circle with a brain cell - orchestrated getting the letters to 48, to trigger the contest before the other side was ready. Defusing a lot of internal criticism and maybe making it easier to get folk on board for her deal in January... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, the jambo-rocker said: Bah god these damn immigrants. Driving our aging population down, driving down the wages of our unskilled/semi-skilled low paying jobs in the short term during times of recession(not their fault), while driving higher skilled wages up and proving to be a boon to the medium-long term economy (19 out of 20 cases in fact, as four economists studied https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2438552 ). Or maybe we can just present the facts about LBGT issues and kids can make up their own mind rather than listening to their old da and how they reacted to it back in the day. Heck, maybe these migrant's children that might learn these things themselves and better educate their parents themselves eh? Is this before or after we lock hands with unicorns, form a circle and sing songs in a utopia? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, weegienative said: Is this before or after we lock hands with unicorns, form a circle and sing songs in a utopia? We could just dismiss each other's opinion (and facts) and continue to live in self-implosive ignorance if you prefer? Edited December 12, 2018 by the jambo-rocker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegienative Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Absolutely this. Look how the Euro is tumbling against Sterling! Were we in a stronger position mid November? Were you all for Brexit then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, weegienative said: Ahh I'm a thick racist, gotcha. The penny drops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, HTG said: For anyone who hasn't done it yet, not seeing this tedious c**t's board flaming really improves the quality of the site. I strongly recommend it. There are some folk who do not really understand what a troll is. There are others too thick to recognise a troll. Then there are those so desperate for interaction that they will still engage with a troll. They are the saddest of the lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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